Nine Inch Nails: Hesitation Marks

Hesitation Marks is the kind of album that sneaks up on you: it’s dark, sure, but it moves, it grooves, and it keeps circling the same uncomfortable questions until they start sounding like your own thoughts. Chris and Tim put on the headphones and do a full, track by track listen of Nine Inch Nails’ 2013 industrial rock pivot, digging into why this record feels more melodic and more anxious than the early, scorched earth era.

We talk about Trent Reznor as the engine of Nine Inch Nails, plus the creative impact of collaborators like Atticus Ross and producer Alan Moulder. Along the way we react in real time to the big moments, the loops, the synth textures, and the drum programming that makes the album weirdly danceable. “Copy Of A” kicks off a whole thread about identity and repetition, “Came Back Haunted” turns haunting into consequence and inner dialogue, and “Find My Way” lands as the stripped down mission statement: trying to be better while your past keeps tapping you on the shoulder.

Then we get into the deep cuts that really define the record for us, from the catchy paranoia of “Satellite” to the heavy, internal struggle of “Various Methods Of Escape,” plus the broader theme of being split “in two” between fear and love, shadow self and present self. We finish by ranking our top three non-hit songs to give you a clear re-listen path if you’re revisiting Hesitation Marks or hearing it for the first time.

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Transcript

Welcome And Album Setup

SPEAKER_06 0:17

Alright, thank you for listening to Greatest Night Hits. I'm Chris and playing the song Find My Way from the Nine Inch alb uh Nine Inch Nails album Hesitation Marks is my co-host Tim. Shout out to Tim. Way down. So we're gonna get way down tonight, and uh we're gonna listen to Hesitation Marks. Uh it's the eighth studio album by Nine Inch Nails. It was released on August 30th of 2013. On uh Columbia Records uh in the United States and Polydor Records everywhere else. Um eighth studio album, Nine Inch Nails, primarily uh a one-man band, mostly by you know frontman Trent Reznor. Um but uh on this album he worked with a couple of collaborators, Atticus Ross and Alan Mulder. Um so yeah, Mulder produced uh uh a number of the albums after this one. I think this is his or I no no, I'm sorry, the other way around. This is his most recent Nine Inch Nails album produced. Um but anyway, um Atticus Ross, by the way, uh officially joined it was a one-man band until uh they made Atticus Ross uh a recurring member in 2016, a couple years later. So this is released in 2013, it kind of I think it has a had a Grammy nomination. So critically acclaimed. More on the melodic side, uh, from my in my opinion, um when I listened to it. It's uh pretty dark album, all of them are, uh of course, you know. Um but this one is a little bit more melodic than the others that you know came before it. You have Pretty Hate Machine, Downward Spiral, Fragile, I think, um, The Slip. To name uh a few that came before this one. Um not really familiar with the the ones leading up to this, but of course Pretty Hate Machine, Downward Spiral. We know I I mean all of us pretty much know those albums pretty well. Um but this is pr this is a good. This one's a really good one, I I think. Uh Tim likes it. He's uh he's a big fan of it. And we're gonna talk about it when uh when he finishes up. But um we're gonna listen to all the songs, uh, rank the top three non-hits as we always do. Um he and I kind of agreed, like we will make a copy of A and uh Came Back Haunted, uh the two songs on the album that are hits. So we'll listen to them, we'll talk about them. But uh anyway. They're uh we're not they're not gonna be a part of the top three. Um so um what the other thing we can say about the album is and one thing I kind of learned a little a little bit more in depth is that they've had or when I say they, you know, um Trent Reznor does primarily you know the arranging and the the instruments and the writing of the songs, you know, like I said, with with the exception of those couple of collaborators collaborators, but when they go on tour, they also uh bring along uh a band. And there are band members that kind of come and go and then come back uh in various iterations, but I think it's a lot of the same people. On this particular album, uh what can I say about uh yeah, Eric Avery, I think, plays bass on this one. Yeah, it's the Jane's Addiction bassist. He's on this. Adrian uh Bellou. Uh he's uh he's uh guitar player. Alessandro Cortini. Uh known for synthesizers, keyboards, guitar, bass guitar, but I think it's a lot of sense. There's a ton of dump jun uh drum tracks on this uh album, a lot of synthesizers. But the beats are really, you know. Even though it's like a it's kind of very it's a very dark, dark album. So um you know, but I I don't I don't think it's as dark as the original ones. I think Trent Raznery even mentioned something about this album being a little bit more um about anxiety or like keeping up with things, the anxiety that comes with those things versus you know being in a really, really dark place that you can kind of feel from downward spiral pretty hate machine. Pretty more like rock you know rock oriented or just uh fast, heavy, you know, all that stuff. This one is a little bit smarty. I mean he's a lot of these songs are written on keyboards and he's also in the deluxe uh version of this. He has a really interesting like monologue where he talks about the ideas as he came up with the songs and I I won't get into all that. Like the you know, the the artist himself I think articulates it really well in the deluxe version, so it's worth you know it's worth listening to even though he kind of goes on and on. But nevertheless, he's a 10 man. He's getting the headphones on, he's kinda getting kind of situated. He's got some opinions. Uh how's it called?

SPEAKER_08 5:57

It goes on, it goes on and on. Um sometimes sometimes you know it also goes round. It goes on and on and round and round. You know, it's on a loop. It's a copy. We make some copies, we throw some copies away, we shred some copies. Um friends.

SPEAKER_06 6:25

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

Making friends with the Steven Ador!

Who Made This Record

SPEAKER_06 6:30

Yeah, so we've got some good sound clips too, so it'll be fun. Uh with that being said, uh I don't know if you have any we can get right into the album. There's a lot of songs on this album. I think there's like twelve. I mean, there's more than that with the uh thing. So we should probably get into it in the interest of right into it. And uh Tim can give you his thoughts as we go along. So Tim The Timinator Timmy Tim Timinator Like the first song is like 52 seconds, it's like the enter of dreams. I don't know if we need to get into this.

SPEAKER_08 7:03

It's a little you know, they have drum machines on this. Except there is a there is a couple, you know, audience beware uh a special drum does make an appearance. What drum you may ask? What drum was it? What drum is that?

SPEAKER_03 7:20

Tom Tom! Alright.

SPEAKER_06 7:26

Shout out to the making copies guy. He plays an integral role in uh in this episode. Richard. Richard.

SPEAKER_08 7:36

What are you working on, Richard? Asking me questions.

Copy Of A Starts The Ride

SPEAKER_06 7:43

Making friends. Alright, now we're getting in a copy of a this is the this is the big hit.

SPEAKER_03 7:52

Making copies!

unknown 8:07

Everything I say has copyful.

SPEAKER_08 8:10

I love that.

SPEAKER_06 8:11

It's poetic.

unknown 8:14

Some into something. I don't know how to say that.

SPEAKER_08 8:25

Repress your childhood trauma. You're in a safe place now.

SPEAKER_06 8:36

Open up to Papa Chris.

SPEAKER_10 8:42

I am just a shadow of a shadow of a shadow.

unknown 8:49

Always trying to catch up with myself.

SPEAKER_08 8:52

That's because you have Peter Pan syndrome. Probably. You're eating cereal.

SPEAKER_06 9:01

I think they're from Cleveland. Cleveland's a kind of a rough place to grow up, you know. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_09 9:11

Look what you had to start. Why all would change your mind? You need to pay a part.

SPEAKER_08 9:21

Play your part. Copy of copy of what you've got.

SPEAKER_10 9:28

Well that doesn't sound like fun. See, I'm not the only one.

SPEAKER_08 9:36

Copy of a copy of the Doesn't sound like fun.

SPEAKER_02 9:47

Why is everybody so tense? It's a party.

SPEAKER_08 9:54

Didn't it sound like time? Little pieces.

SPEAKER_07 10:07

Purpose with a pepper.

SPEAKER_08 10:09

I love that part. Yeah. Just purpose that we come back.

SPEAKER_18 10:17

What the fuck is he talking about?

SPEAKER_07 10:20

What's my purpose?

SPEAKER_08 10:22

It's a great transition from that too. It's like the um psycho like knife part, like in the shower.

SPEAKER_11 10:31

And then it's back to this like fun.

SPEAKER_24 10:42

So what? So let's dance.

SPEAKER_20 10:52

Yeah, you got the ladies, man. Now what's your query?

SPEAKER_08 10:55

Thank you, ladies, man. Thank you. No one wants to copy that behavior anymore. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:07

Just say no.

SPEAKER_08 11:10

Nancy.

SPEAKER_06 11:13

Oh yeah, shout out to Lindsay Buckingham. He's on this song. Yes, he's playing guitars on this. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_04 11:19

Only one copy for the Randman.

SPEAKER_08 11:24

Shout out to the Randman. Love the cowbell on that.

SPEAKER_10 11:29

I am just a finger on a trigger.

SPEAKER_08 11:31

There's a little bit there, huh? Oh. They're about to s shoot up this copier.

SPEAKER_10 11:42

Oh, is my intention nice?

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Could've used a little more cowbell.

SPEAKER_05 11:48

PC load letter. What the fuck does that mean?

SPEAKER_06 11:54

That's right. Shout out to Michael Bolton. What's the guy saying Michael Bolton?

SPEAKER_08 11:59

Yeah. No talent, ass clown. It's winning Grammys. You need to make friends with the drum drum machine to make to make this cool of a drum beat on your frickin' drum machine. This is awesome.

SPEAKER_04 12:19

I'm making friends with the with the drum machine.

SPEAKER_08 12:29

Tom Tom. And cow bow.

SPEAKER_16 12:43

Did you see the memo about this?

SPEAKER_22 12:51

And uh I'll go ahead and make sure you get another copy of that memo. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 12:55

Yeah, no, I I have the memo. I've got it. It's right. Hello, Phil. Hello, Phil. Hello, Phil.

Came Back Haunted And Inner Voices

SPEAKER_22 13:06

Yeah. If you could just go ahead and make sure you do that from now on, that would be great.

SPEAKER_06 13:12

Alright. This is a nice uh nice little ending there. Alright. Alright, this song is Came Back Haunted.

SPEAKER_08 13:21

Oh yeah, this is this is a hit. This is gonna. This is one this one's wedging on me.

SPEAKER_06 13:33

It's wedging into a clearly it's uh it's a heavy hitter. It's a heavy hitter.

SPEAKER_10 13:46

I got something you have to see.

SPEAKER_08 13:57

Oh.

SPEAKER_21 14:05

I can barely see the joy check. Creamy I can barely see the joy chip.

SPEAKER_08 14:27

Shout out to the runners out there, shout out to the lifters, yep, the the doers, the workers, yeah. The goodbyers.

SPEAKER_06 14:42

The swimmers. The chauffeurs.

SPEAKER_08 14:57

So maybe a break breakup. Gotta have some chauffeurs that are listening to. Yeah. He's having a breakup with himself here. Maybe. Is that what is that what this is? Yes, thus a breakup with someone else. Okay. Because of the breakup. Oh. He's getting some bad karma too involved. It's coming back to him.

SPEAKER_06 15:25

Yeah, consequence. Afraid. It's just begun. Yeah, this is just your inner dialogue, like gnawing at you, maybe haunting you.

SPEAKER_11 15:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_24 15:40

Goodbye.

SPEAKER_06 15:47

Yeah, I can see that. Just like from like bad experiences from the past is coming back to haunt you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 15:54

You won't. You'll be back to that. God damn it!

SPEAKER_07 16:04

It was a little hard.

SPEAKER_22 16:10

This was out of control!

SPEAKER_08 16:14

I love this. Actually now. This little solo here?

SPEAKER_06 16:17

Yeah, this is good.

SPEAKER_08 16:18

It's screaming. I think this is the crescendo of the whole album, maybe. I don't know. I'm gonna argue that. It's early.

SPEAKER_06 16:37

I mean it's crescendo. Crescendo is not we're not like the apex.

SPEAKER_07 16:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 16:45

Or maybe we do it. It does a double-tiered crescendo like apex valley Yeah, it kind of valleys down, and then it comes back up, and not quite to what this is.

SPEAKER_06 17:01

But this is the for now, that's my opinion now. But maybe if I get it I've only listened to this maybe three or four times and there might be a song that's we'll get way down.

SPEAKER_13 17:11

We'll get deep. We'll get deeper deeper and deeper. Yep. Way down.

unknown 17:20

Just stop.

SPEAKER_06 17:28

It's a cool ending.

SPEAKER_08 17:30

Stop.

SPEAKER_10 17:32

Why?

SPEAKER_08 17:35

Why? I just want to know why he's haunted, you know. Uh uh. You know the Leonard Cohen house that is haunted. It's a good one.

SPEAKER_06 17:50

Oh.

SPEAKER_08 17:50

It's uh haunting songs. That's right. Michael Jackson's thriller. Thriller?

unknown 17:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 17:56

Yeah, a few of they're just a little bit better than this one.

SPEAKER_07 18:00

Ghosts. Okay.

SPEAKER_08 18:03

The ghost of your former self. Yeah. Your soft wangular self.

SPEAKER_06 18:12

Shout out to the uh babies, man.

SPEAKER_20 18:18

I'm doing all right. I got my uh cavati eight. Stop.

SPEAKER_06 18:25

All right. Uh here's here's Tim's song. Find my way.

SPEAKER_11 18:35

Far up, man.

SPEAKER_10 18:39

Hold my path is gone astray. I'm just trying to find my way.

unknown 18:52

Wanted here from far away.

SPEAKER_08 18:58

Really good drum beat. Yeah. Good drummer. Great look. Good drummer.

unknown 19:05

You were never meant to see all those things.

SPEAKER_17 19:12

Good drama. Great look. Good drama. Yeah.

unknown 19:17

Now that you've gone away. I'm just trying to find my way.

SPEAKER_13 19:29

Deeper and deeper. Way down.

SPEAKER_23 19:42

I would follow you into the midst of Babylon. That's what you mean.

SPEAKER_06 19:51

Shout out to Step Brothers.

SPEAKER_08 20:00

I wonder what the great mistake. Pray, my lord. Soul to take. Church lady likes that.

SPEAKER_10 20:09

I have made a great mistake.

SPEAKER_08 20:19

Well.

SPEAKER_03 20:21

Well, isn't that special?

SPEAKER_08 20:24

Oh, ghosts. There it is. Ghost of who you Yeah. I knew I had heard that lyric. I just said that line. Oh, okay. Ghost is who I used to be. I didn't just come up with that. That's in the freaking lyrics. In the next song.

SPEAKER_06 20:39

I think, yeah. That's crazy. Well, the lyrics are starting to creep into you. Yeah, they're seeping. They're seeping in. On porous. Antenna overlap. As it's happening. This kind of reminds me a little bit of uh the dirty laundry guy with Don Henley. It's awesome. There's that song that also this is very kind of like Brian Eno-esque.

SPEAKER_08 21:21

Yeah. Um Texas.

SPEAKER_06 21:30

Yeah, Trent Reznor's Forte's keyboards, I think. Like that's his original instrument.

SPEAKER_08 21:38

Yeah. It's amazing how he builds these songs, honestly. It's really cool stuff. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 21:49

Atticus Ross, though, too, has a hand. Alan guy Alan Mulder, I think they're Molder, yeah. They really he he speaks very highly of them in his in that interview. Like the role that they collect yeah that they played in it. Like I said, you can get it on the Dilux version, listen to that. Uh my narration doesn't hold a candle in that regard.

SPEAKER_08 22:21

He's been to every place. I like that. Well generally, he's been you know.

SPEAKER_12 22:27

Or just in a general kind of way.

SPEAKER_13 22:45

Deeper and deeper. Way. Way down.

SPEAKER_07 22:53

I mean I love that.

SPEAKER_08 22:55

I have been to everywhere.

SPEAKER_06 22:57

Been to everywhere, I've been to every place.

SPEAKER_08 23:00

I'm just trying to find my way. It's sort of a juxtapositional statement in a way, but on an ethereal level, it works.

SPEAKER_06 23:15

Well Yeah, I'm feeling anxiety. Yeah, like maybe like the maybe these are the things that you tell yourself when you're having like a panic attack. Too. I don't know. Maybe. Your life is kind of flashing before your eyes. You're asking, like you're saying a prayer, like Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 23:35

Well, it's all about the spectrum of the two human emotions, Chris.

SPEAKER_14 23:40

Fear and love.

SPEAKER_06 23:43

You just want to play it. Well played.

SPEAKER_08 23:54

Shout out to the power of now, also. Um Eckard Toll shout out. Let's go. For those self-helpers out there. You're not an all-time low. You're you're doing great, buddy.

SPEAKER_06 24:15

Take an easy chance. I I I dug what you're saying.

SPEAKER_08 24:24

Is there a fucking echo? Isn't an echo just a copy of a musical? Alright.

SPEAKER_06 24:37

Copy of a copy of this one.

SPEAKER_08 24:41

I like this one. This is kind of funky.

SPEAKER_09 24:44

This is where the fuck will be very evil pinch scale.

SPEAKER_02 24:53

Why is everybody so tense?

Why This Album Feels Different

SPEAKER_04 25:28

Get the door, I'm playing, God damn it.

SPEAKER_08 25:36

Is this gonna be forever? Daniel. Daniel goes Dennis, shout out. Anesthesiologists. They just guys.

SPEAKER_24 25:51

All plants are gonna die.

SPEAKER_08 26:01

This has like a little bit of stalker vibes. I don't know. A little bit.

SPEAKER_23 26:12

Mac lip. Hoopa! Jump down sniper.

SPEAKER_06 26:18

Well played.

SPEAKER_23 26:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 26:24

So love the way.

SPEAKER_06 26:39

They're guitar playing in.

SPEAKER_13 26:50

Deeper and deeper.

SPEAKER_16 27:01

Simple lines intertwining.

SPEAKER_06 27:09

This this reminds me, this is probably if the ladies man were here, I think this would be his number one.

SPEAKER_20 27:26

Chronic wangular softitude.

SPEAKER_06 27:30

Wangular softitude.

SPEAKER_24 27:46

All plants are gonna die.

SPEAKER_12 27:52

Or just in a general kind of way.

SPEAKER_08 27:55

So high.

SPEAKER_06 28:13

I love this little ambient glitter.

SPEAKER_16 28:18

Simple lines intertwining.

SPEAKER_08 28:20

There are a lot of sample lines intertwining. It's a it's a mock piece at the end here. Like a light, I love the light sound drum machine on this one. Yeah. Most of the other ones have a really heavy percussive aspect.

SPEAKER_07 28:41

Right. This one just kinda I love it. It's just well this one.

SPEAKER_06 28:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_13 28:52

What are you people? On dope.

SPEAKER_08 28:59

Cleveland. Shout out. Hello, Cleveland. Rock and roll. Shout out to the stretchers, the yogis. Get that get that so is up in the sky right now. Some salt. A little salt.

SPEAKER_06 29:45

Saul Rosenberg.

SPEAKER_22 29:46

Hi, oh hello. Hello.

SPEAKER_08 30:04

That's why I love this. This is a great element.

SPEAKER_06 30:07

Yeah, it isn't it isn't as hard as your as your standard nine tails. This is disappointing. That last one was all the time low. I should be more than a little bit. Yeah, all these songs are hitting for me more than the other times I've listened. I like how this builds up.

SPEAKER_08 31:43

This is like a dance number. Well they yeah, a lot of them have that rave quality to it. Definitely.

SPEAKER_06 31:59

They are very danceable.

SPEAKER_08 32:00

Industrial rave dance. Just change my dance. Just take over a defunct warehouse in a town near you and I am part of the reason. Pseudo mosh pit.

SPEAKER_06 32:30

Yeah, your standard abandoned asylum, you know, from the nineteen fifties. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 32:47

Just uh where they put people to shut them up and tell them to not tell you about how it used to be. Before the reset. Yeah. Shout to the cabbage patch, kids. Shout out. Uh oh.

SPEAKER_06 33:20

This this album's a lot better than their I you know, I do now the more I listen to it, the more uh it's just some smoother, easier listen versus the lesson. Yeah. Oh it's just so hard. Like, well, I mean, of course, I was around like 21, 20, I was in my early 20s when Pre-Hate Machine came out. And it was just so like intense. Right, I guess it's hit for me back then.

SPEAKER_08 33:56

But yeah, as you get older now, this is this is better to me now. It's probably never gonna hit the way it does some of these high-energy high.

SPEAKER_06 34:10

We can't keep doing the same thing over and over again for every you know, you have to your music has to evolve as you change as a person. Yes, exactly. I think he's being this is a very this is why I like this. You can tell it's really authentic.

SPEAKER_11 34:25

I love that.

SPEAKER_06 34:26

He's really this is he's really into this. You can just tell. This isn't cranking out another bullshit album, you know, because certain aspects of it will, you know, people remember this. This is like he's creating.

SPEAKER_08 34:42

He, you know, really took the instruction manual for the printer and ingested it before making a copy. That way if any warnings were to come out, you know, it could be heated.

SPEAKER_18 35:13

What the fuck is he talking about?

SPEAKER_06 35:19

I got a little lost. You had me to be lost.

SPEAKER_08 35:32

Except for maybe some Tom Toms.

SPEAKER_03 35:35

Tom Tom Shtimmy Tim Timinator! Tom Tom Tom Shtimmy Tim Timinator Tom.

Satellite And The Data Paranoia Detour

SPEAKER_06 35:49

Alright. Alright. That was disappointing. This is everything. I think this is like a I think this is like released in Japan or something. The song. But definitely upbeat.

SPEAKER_08 36:07

The hell is this? I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 36:12

They were like, maybe they exceed uh we need a palette cleaner.

SPEAKER_05 36:29

This is like all adrenaline.

SPEAKER_06 36:41

This is released as a single, so this is like the third one. But we're we're still gonna treat this as a non-hit, I guess. I hope so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 36:52

I hate goodbyes!

SPEAKER_06 36:57

Where are we going? Good raga.

SPEAKER_08 36:59

Flying somewhere? Why do you go to the airport? You're flying somewhere. I hate goodbyes. Oh jeez.

SPEAKER_06 37:18

Samsonite. Oh, here it is, Samsonite.

SPEAKER_08 37:32

Okay, seed. Okay, bleeding seed. Oh. Go home.

unknown 37:45

I'm home.

SPEAKER_21 37:49

Smooth? Creamy?

unknown 37:51

Oh.

SPEAKER_21 37:52

Delicate, yep. That's your home. It's your home.

SPEAKER_20 38:02

The home, home, answer me. Are you too good for your home?

unknown 38:10

Oh.

SPEAKER_20 38:13

Oh, are you too good for your home?

SPEAKER_19 38:54

Some nice doll you have there.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Yeah, thanks. It's okay.

SPEAKER_16 39:02

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 39:07

Right, moving on.

SPEAKER_06 39:11

Oh, this is a Tim favorite.

SPEAKER_08 39:14

Yeah, this is a good one.

unknown 39:18

Hard to know.

SPEAKER_08 39:19

Hard to know what those satellites be doing.

unknown 39:22

Tell the truth.

SPEAKER_08 39:25

Major League Baseball. Do you guys want to know why Major League Baseball is spying on all Americans? Or do you want to see me hit some dingers? Dingers! Dingers! Why? Mark Yoink! It takes the data. What was that from? Oh Simpsons.

SPEAKER_06 39:47

Simpsons, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 39:49

Yeah. That's right. Martin McGuire. Yeah, it's Major League Beast Balls. Spying on all Americans. Keep that in the back of your mind, America.

SPEAKER_06 40:02

Yeah, that was like an old school conspiracy.

SPEAKER_08 40:04

Oh, it was true though. 100% true. Oh, you're right. They were. They were spying on us. That was made after the fact that it was like a news story.

SPEAKER_06 40:16

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_08 40:18

Yeah. What do they want, I wonder? Just to market their it was like pre-marketing like data theft. I gotcha. It was to like round out their image and market to people and stuff.

SPEAKER_06 40:33

Oh wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 40:34

Back in like the nineties, they were ahead of their game with where everything else was going, you know. Right. I got it. And we were like, why? Why though? And now we're like, it's normal. Yeah. Well they were kind of bad at it.

SPEAKER_06 40:49

Because I think it it was baseball was kind of bad in the 90s. It was just a lot of people. Well they oh they it was the home runs, that's what it was. Like the the theory was like you know, the people wanted to see more home runs, and so that was and they like juiced up the balls and had like Sam Euros and yeah, McGuire, yeah, juice everybody up. That's right.

SPEAKER_08 41:17

Yeah. Come on, satellite. Give me my data. AI, write me an article about Nancy Kerrigan.

SPEAKER_06 41:43

AI, what's the most hilarious sound clip?

SPEAKER_08 41:51

Inside your head. Oh man.

SPEAKER_19 42:08

That's some heavy shit, man.

SPEAKER_08 42:12

Yeah, but satellites are heavy. Oh yeah. Launch them into orbit. That jet fuel.

SPEAKER_06 42:26

I like this little guitar riff here. Yeah, it's kinda cool because it doesn't it's like unamplified. It's like it's in the background.

SPEAKER_08 42:42

Haunted creepiness of this. This is a great cycling song. Shout out to the uh what do you call them? The spinners. Spin class. Get this on that list. This would be a great song for that.

SPEAKER_07 42:59

I know you're up to the tea drinkers.

SPEAKER_08 43:06

Oh yeah. We did now. There we go. Oh man. I need the camera for this one. I know. This could be like pimped out to an orchestra, in my opinion. I think this would be like really cool. I agree. I didn't think about that, yeah. Think about it. Okay. I mean Classical needs to evolve a little bit. Yeah. This could be a a project. Trent Reznor. Visitation marks. Oh, that's a good one. They just kind of repeat the same thing over and over. I kinda like that. Yeah, no. It's not too deep, it's just maybe about satellite. Catchy and it kinda gets into you.

SPEAKER_06 44:12

Trying to get off the bridge, maybe. It's called various methods of escape. Great lyrics of suicide stuff.

Various Methods Of Escape Breaks Open

SPEAKER_08 44:44

Interesting line. It's the same drum loop as like the last one. Which is throwing me for a loop. I don't I don't like that. This sounds like downward spiral kind of uh. Sounds like satellite's B-side. It's like a B side to the very previous track.

SPEAKER_06 45:28

Oh, it sounds a little bit earlier in their career to me. But I mean maybe it could be a B side, I guess. I like how it goes like from one to the other.

SPEAKER_07 45:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 45:42

It's all chill right now, and then it gets intense and it comes back down.

SPEAKER_08 45:52

Again. It's got some sins. Yeah. Something, I don't know. Regrets.

SPEAKER_10 46:13

Well, man, this is I cannot force myself. I've gotta let go.

SPEAKER_08 46:27

I'm liking it now. It's turning on me.

SPEAKER_06 46:56

Yeah, gotta let go. Internal conflict, you know. Trapped by your own history. Escape. Various methods of escape. That's interesting. Struggling with like old habits, old ways, yeah. Trying to get straight. Yeah, this is like a this is stuff like you you're supposed to really internalize.

SPEAKER_08 47:53

Yeah. Internal, external with a song. That's right. Creative. It is for me I need like a one free wielding epic guitar solo, and that this song could do with that, maybe. If I'm being critical.

SPEAKER_06 48:41

Yeah, no, I think that's a fair criticism.

SPEAKER_08 48:43

A little bit like maybe some guest guitar guitarist in here to just get a slash type all up and down the fretboard sort of like ripper for this one would be send goosebumps. Um, but it just doesn't happen.

SPEAKER_06 49:02

Okay. I don't know. I know I'm like yes and no. I could I'm I'm going back and forth on that. Uh yeah. I'm always I always say that though. Well, I liked how it got like really intense and then it would get it would get real quiet again. Like it builds tension in a and that the guitar was sort of more of like a texture thing in that song.

SPEAKER_07 49:24

Yeah, I know, I know.

SPEAKER_06 49:25

How do you go how do you go from that to a noodle?

SPEAKER_08 49:30

Or a it's a cons it's gotta be a succinct noodle. A cutting noodle. Be that change agent, man. You should be able to do that. I should cover that. I could cover that one.

SPEAKER_06 49:39

Yeah, cover it, man. Like sit there. Yeah. Well anyway, this one is called running. Shout out to the runners. Missed opportunity. It's too much there's too much whispering.

SPEAKER_18 50:04

The fuck is he talking about?

SPEAKER_13 50:11

For no particular reason. I decided go for a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 50:38

Is this Lindsay Buckingham? No.

SPEAKER_08 50:46

And now we're ragging on it. Now we're ragging. There we go. Oh. You had a friend? That's good. I'm glad you have friends, T. Yeah. Making friends.

SPEAKER_04 50:58

Making friends with the Stevenator. The Trentinator. The Trentinator.

SPEAKER_08 51:05

Trent. Trendy, trend, trend, trend. They're watching, waiting for you. What are you talking about the satellites again? Are they watching you? Are your friends? I think you're paranoid, man. I think you need to. I think you just need to maybe uh. Take it easy, champ. Running out of places. The T-Man, the Trent Man, the Trentinator running out of places. Hide and go seek with himself.

SPEAKER_11 51:45

Oh.

SPEAKER_08 51:49

Yeah. How is this not on my running playlist? Good lines, simple lines. Simple lines into twenty. Big fan of Mozart, big fan of bop. This is a mouthpiece. Bop bop blah blah.

SPEAKER_02 52:28

Why is everybody so tense?

SPEAKER_21 52:34

Down on the street.

SPEAKER_06 52:42

It's tolerable. I was gonna say start become intolerable, he is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 52:52

That's oh, when he loops his own voice to have falsetto and lower, I like that. You hear it? Yeah, I'm not feeling it, man. I want to. I feel like this effect sounds like seagulls. Like a remix of a seagull.

SPEAKER_06 53:18

Yeah, they sample the seagull.

SPEAKER_08 53:19

Seagull sample. Oh, shout out. Okay. Shout out. Alright. Oh.

SPEAKER_06 53:31

This is I would for you. What on the bad extreme voice?

SPEAKER_08 53:36

We didn't do our Dave Matthews satellite. Damn.

SPEAKER_06 53:39

Oh missed opportunity. Oh well. It's done. We can do if you want. You want to do Palaklan too? After this. After this one, we can.

SPEAKER_08 53:49

I know. Not over here and not here anymore.

SPEAKER_07 53:56

Not here? Not anymore. Not over here.

SPEAKER_09 53:59

There was a place you could be.

SPEAKER_06 54:06

Step over on you to be the the lyrics I've added. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 54:15

Cyclical. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:19

Something around. Yeah, that weird noise.

SPEAKER_08 54:22

A door. A door is opening.

SPEAKER_06 54:24

Yeah. Interesting. You took that that background. That was like strength. Island. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 54:55

Did it seem like something more?

SPEAKER_06 54:58

That was Lindsay. See.

unknown 55:02

So long I can't remember.

SPEAKER_09 55:08

All this has happened all before. And this will happen all again.

SPEAKER_06 55:21

Actually, Lance is not on this one. He's on the next two songs.

SPEAKER_09 55:25

Only kill myself to be.

SPEAKER_08 55:49

How to win friends and influence people. Is that a book? Yeah, that's uh superficial. Yeah. Selling kind of a book. Stelling, but it's more of a sales.

SPEAKER_06 56:04

Yeah, it's a sales. Sales training.

SPEAKER_08 56:08

So yourself.

SPEAKER_06 56:10

Back in the day. I like this. You feel it? It's it's tolerable.

SPEAKER_08 56:24

I do like it. I just need to listen to it a couple more times to really like it. Okay, fair enough. Again, I want more notes. Now right here. But then it might sound like Find My Way. This is this is the same chord progression as Find My Way. It's just slightly different. Okay. You hear it.

SPEAKER_07 57:01

It's all yeah.

SPEAKER_08 57:07

I think some of these songs are parodies of themselves to flesh out the album. Yeah, I like that.

SPEAKER_06 57:42

Yeah, that was that was good. That was really good after.

SPEAKER_08 57:46

Oh man. I would yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:53

That was good. So we're in the song in two. So remember, kids, you gotta look out for number one. Don't step in number two.

SPEAKER_24 58:08

But don't step in number two. That's right.

SPEAKER_06 58:11

That's right, Rodney.

SPEAKER_08 58:16

Let's do a little satellite over this, ready? Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 58:20

Satellite.

SPEAKER_06 58:28

There it is.

SPEAKER_21 58:41

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 58:59

Nature is violent. Some Jekyll and Hyde shit going on.

SPEAKER_17 59:18

Yeah. How much more black could this be? The answer is none. None more black.

SPEAKER_06 59:26

Yeah, there is no more black than this.

SPEAKER_08 59:31

Two of you apart.

SPEAKER_22 59:54

I'm like basket robin. Get one free taste, and you gotta buy the scoop.

SPEAKER_15 1:00:22

My fingers.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:29

Well done.

SPEAKER_22 1:00:34

Punch me in the fucking face.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:39

This is some fight club, uh fight club shit. Rule number one. Get to know yourself. Get to know your inner thought.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:04

You want to punish me right now.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:14

Like all these things are like internal. Yeah. In two. Like the two like two sides of the person, I think is right.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:22

Shadow self and the the light self. You don't want to know the other thing. The little voice and the big, the loud, obnoxious, overbearing voice. Subconscious. Maybe.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:39

Yeah. Or maybe being divided between your past and your present. Well, the power is now. Eckert toll.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:50

Come on now.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:58

Deeper and deeper.

SPEAKER_13 1:02:00

Way down.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:03

But yeah, there's that shadow self.

SPEAKER_14 1:02:14

Fear and love. Fear is in the negative energy spectrum. And love is in the positive energy spectrum.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:31

There's two. There's two like energy forces on this song. And on a lot of these songs. There's like that intense, and then there's that simple. There's that. There's tension going back and forth. Like throughout the whole album, that's that's the theme. Inner conflict.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:13

Oh. Have an anti-solo solo here.

unknown 1:03:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:20

I could have done without that. Actually, fucking Buckingham was on that one. I kind of liked it. Yeah, I kinda like it. Yeah, that was like out of control. Oh, this one's called While I'm Still Here. There's this, and then like the last song, The Black Noise is just like a one and a half minute thing. Anyway. As we are falling apart, maybe that is the beauty.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:46

Well, we we daydream of a the good and the good possibilities work towards or naturally work towards them in some way. Because we have an optimistic attunement of some sort. Maybe.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:19

Time is taking for everybody. So or is it though?

SPEAKER_08 1:05:26

Is there a time clock? And there's sort of a a beyond quote unquote clock that makes time be nothing. We don't know. Infinite. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:58

Philosophice.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:01

What the fuck is he talking about? Your now is my now.

unknown 1:06:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:10

The past is now. The future is now.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:17

Now is now. This is fucking him, I think. My little guitar.

unknown 1:06:26

Stay with me.

While Im Still Here To Black Noise

SPEAKER_06 1:06:31

Does that sound like him? Uh yeah. I can hear break the chain. That's so random. That is what he's saying now. It's something like. Something like.

SPEAKER_14 1:06:56

My fingers hurt.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:59

Two fingers have to hurt after all we have. Do it again, Buckingham. Okay, Trent.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:06

Into Buckingham. Sorry, we didn't get you. Ooh, wee. What's up with that? S and L. Oh, little hot horned? Yes. This is the oh, this is Black Hole. We've gone from while I'm still here to Black Hole. This is the last song.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:30

Is this where we came in here?

SPEAKER_08 1:07:35

Yeah. That's a little intro-outro thing with the album. It's a concept thing. Yep. This is how Year of a Dream kind of starts. In this You're coming out of the dream, yeah. Yeah, coming out of the dream into the black noise. Right. It's a concept album, people. Life and death. Here it is. This is it. Yeah. So okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:23

Alright, folks. You're doing great. We're gonna must say.

SPEAKER_17 1:08:25

How much more black could this be in the monster is? None. None.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:34

Insert whale noises here. Yeah, it's like the humpback whale. He's imitating whale noises now. Is that what it is? If you do, if you listen to whales, this is that's what it sounds like. Yeah.

unknown 1:08:51

No.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:52

It's creepy, it can be very creepy. Sure. The whale sounds. Yeah, the humpback whale, of course.

SPEAKER_11 1:08:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:00

Yeah. Alright, let's get into the top three. What's your what's your number three, man?

SPEAKER_07 1:09:06

Let me scroll up a little bit here.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:07

Let's see here.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:09

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:10

So copy of uh and the the one after that.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:14

Uh came back haunted.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:16

Came back haunted.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:17

Everything else is in play.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:18

Oh I think it's hard for me. Honorable mention, I would for you running and various methods of escape. Those could easily be on my list now interchangeably maybe with the ones that I'm gonna that were brought brought me to the album and probably influenced me to or several that we have to do this do this yeah, album, which I'm gonna go three is satellite.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:56

Okay. Yeah. Oh it's it's that's right up there. I you know what that's gonna be my number three as well. Yeah. Yeah, that was that was some heavy stuff. Yes, it hit with me. It did, it slapped.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:08

It smacked the lip. Oh okay. Number two, I'm going to all time low.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:18

All the time low.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:20

Oh, that was a good one. Yeah. Oh man, yeah. Good, good call. Um I'm gonna say my number two various methods of escape. Nice. Yeah. Yeah, I like it was it was deeper and deeper way down for me. Excellent.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:42

Yeah, no, it was good.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:44

I'm so interested to which which one do you want?

SPEAKER_08 1:10:47

You know it's I mean it's gotta be Find My Way.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:55

It has that almost like radio quality to it.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:02

Yep. If it were catchy. It was catchy and you could really put your finger on the pulse of what he's trying to do for this album, I think. Yeah. Because he's constantly tormented a bit, it seems, with his past behavior and you know, anxious about being a better person in the future, which and making music, obviously, in the present while doing so to make this album at least.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:35

Yeah, it seems like it's really like stripped down and like at the core of like a like a core emotion. I'm just trying to find my way, like here. It's almost as if like you're at the end of the day, we're just these souls. We don't know where we're going, we don't know what's gonna happen or what what's gonna become of our lives or what what's in store for the future. It's just like at the end of the day, I'm just trying to find my way. We we're we're all maybe that's what we all say to ourselves from time to time. When we look at our lives, you know, from the past and in the present, you know, that duality thing. So I mean for that reason, that's gonna be my number one as well. All right, great, great song. So nice. Yeah, no, this is a good uh good album. Love it. Got back into it. We went back to the two dragons style. Two dragons, we did raw shout out. Right on.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:27

Hope uh we got some good sleep.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:30

All right, yeah. Whoever stuck around for this, kudos to you. We love you. Take care.

SPEAKER_19 1:12:37

Bye.