Father John Misty: Fear Fun

We went into Father John Misty’s 2012 indie rock album Fear Fun ready to roll our eyes, and somehow we ended up arguing about it like it matters. That’s the weird power of this record: the production is smooth, the hooks are real, and the vibe can feel perfect with the windows down, then the lyrics step forward and suddenly you’re asking whether you’re hearing sharp satire or pure self-mythology.

Our friend Ross joins us for a track-by-track breakdown that bounces between genuine appreciation and full-on skepticism. We talk about Joshua Tillman’s shift into the Father John Misty persona, how religion and biblical language color the writing, and why “guru energy” can be magnetic or unbearable depending on the listener. Along the way we hit the songs that sparked the biggest reactions, including “Fun Times in Babylon,” “Nancy From Now On,” “Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings,” “I’m Writing a Novel,” and “Only Son of the Ladies’ Man,” plus the moments where the album’s mood starts to blur together.

If you care about lyrics analysis, authenticity, and what makes an indie album replayable, you’ll hear us wrestle with the same question from multiple angles: can great sound outweigh words you don’t buy? We close with top-three favorites, honorable mentions, and our ratings, even though we don’t totally agree on what we just listened to. Subscribe for more album debates, share this with the friend who loves to argue about “meaning,” and leave a review with your Fear Fun rating out of 5.

Transcript

old Open And Show Setup

SPEAKER_00 0:00

It helped Joshua fight the battle of Jericho. Yes. It helped Daniel get out the lines then. It helped Helgan get off the island.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

Alright, thank you for listening to Greatest Nine Hits. I'm Chris, and playing Hollywood Forever Sanitary Sings is my co-host Tim. Welcome. Welcome to the show. We have a special guest today. Our man Ross is with us. And we're gonna listen to Fear Five from Father John Misty. And we are gonna rip this guy to shreds, so I'm gonna tell you that right now. So it's like three John.

SPEAKER_10 1:09

Father John Misty fans are doing a uh Father John Misty album.

irst Impressions And Indie Era Context

SPEAKER_03 1:15

That's right. So anyway, uh Father John Misty 2012. Fear fun. I mean, it grows on you after a while. It's catchy. I do, I like it. The more you listen to it, you know, the better it feels. And props to the guy. Give him that. He's got a little bit of a following. I mean it's kind of like an opening ad kind of guy. I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 1:42

The album did grow on, I mean, I to be honest, gave it two lessons, first listen, headphones in and I think, you know, he's got kind of a punchable face, so you look at him and uh I kind of had you get these preconceived notions he got. You wanna punch me right now and just kind of uh like uh sullen look on his face. I hear you. But yeah the uh first listen headphones in, just kind of reading the lyrics along with it, and you just immediately phone in on uh cell phones and the bad nature of his songwriting. And second listen, you know, sunny day, windows down in the car. Sonically, it's a good album. It sounds good, as long as you're not listening to the lyrics. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

No, I agree. I mean, I I've been listening to it like the whole week. You know, this is I I don't really have much exposure to Josh. It was Joshua Tillman was his name. Uh I guess in 2009, uh I guess he went he dropped a pseudonym. Or I guess he dropped his name for the pseudonym, Father John Misty. So and this is prior to or this is like subsequent to uh his time with the fleet foxes, right?

SPEAKER_10 3:13

And I didn't listen to Fleet Foxes much either. Um 2012. I definitely remember seeing Fleet Fox's name quite a bit and knowing that they were just indie rock, which at the time I wasn't listening to much of. Um I feel like I've revisited Deafly Foxes, and it's kind of to me that the same feeling I get with Father John Misty. A lot of it's kind of forgettable, but there's not much that I find myself wanting to come back to. Like it's kinda foggy, right? Yeah, I mean I love Oh, your Devly Foxes? Yeah. You know, I couldn't even tell you like that's um you think they're more funky than Father John Misty?

SPEAKER_03 3:58

Yeah, but a little bit more, I don't know, Renaissance Festival E kind of. Okay. Alright. I don't even know what to call it.

SPEAKER_08 4:06

Yeah, I just I don't know what to call it.

SPEAKER_10 4:08

2012 the was the the stomp clap hey and stuff. Yeah, exactly. I lumped in fleet foxes with I'm like, oh that's like Lumineers. Right. Every like all those bands of that era to me I just it's probably honestly how uh non-jamand fans look at the lineup on a jam band festival where it's like, all that shit's the same, you know.

SPEAKER_03 4:38

I hear you. Um I was completely tuned out. I I didn't even I was a working stiff by that time, you know, just going back and forth. There's like there's that song that says hey, and then the clap.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 4:50

Like the Brook, you know, Brooklyn. I I even if you asked me, I would have thought Fleet Fox is much more broken, but I guess they're northwest or something.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

Yeah, Seattle, yeah, that area. Which is where Josh Tillman came from, so it was like around this time.

SPEAKER_10 5:04

I like how you're calling him Josh Tillman uh in uh have you just gotten used to using his his uh his birth name instead of calling him Father John Misty?

SPEAKER_03 5:15

Well yeah, because well we have to set the stage because this is like the time period where he moves from Josh Tillman to Father John Misty. You know, it's like and there's that one song, like with where he invokes Jesus Christ, you know, baptizes him. He's being rebaptized. Well, I mean, yeah, I guess. Father John. He's coming from the mists of Babylon. And if we're talking uh I would follow you into the mists of Babylon.

ersona Critique And “Fake Guru” Vibes

SPEAKER_10 5:47

That's what you mean. Rather. And not Father John Misty. Tim was telling me that he was like raised in an extremely religious, yeah. Evangelical.

SPEAKER_03 5:59

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_08 6:00

Yeah, which I did not know.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Yeah, far up, man! You know, something about how he's what is it, uh his dad wouldn't let him listen to anything other than Christian music in his house, or anything that has a spiritual type of um aesthetic or uh meaning to it. Marilyn Born. Yeah, Rockville, yeah. So down the road from where we're at, shout out to shout out to Rockville. Shout out to the runners, uh shout out to the listeners, and uh shout out to Tim.

SPEAKER_07 6:37

Tim's gonna join us.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

Tim, how you doing, bud?

SPEAKER_07 6:41

I hit the lip hard on that one. That was good. Uh smack the lip. Smack the lip.

SPEAKER_10 6:47

Alright, I guess I guess I'll lean away back in my chair.

SPEAKER_07 6:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_11 6:54

Get the lower back. Get the lower back.

SPEAKER_10 6:56

I got a bunch of uh things I hate about this guy that I that I wrote down. Yeah. I think he's a fake guru. There we go. I was excited to say that. Um I wasn't gonna burn this one so early, but he definitely seems like the kind of guy that would swindle women into sex. Yes. Um he's got that real estate uh lead singer vibe, kind of. I th Tim's uh Tim's comparison of him, like if there's ever a movie made about this guy, Russell Brandt, we'll definitely be playing him.

SPEAKER_11 7:33

Yes, they have the Quaff. Yeah. Uh the the Quaff brings queries.

SPEAKER_10 7:38

And like lots of jewelry, you know?

SPEAKER_11 7:41

Yeah, too much jewelry. He definitely Some people can maybe pull off a lot of jewelry, but I like him because I think he's a canary in a coal mine in the industry, and he's definitely micro-tripped to find himself, but I think he did it a little maybe too hard, and then he like got tipped over.

SPEAKER_07 7:59

Like, you know, some people don't come back when they do too man too much.

SPEAKER_10 8:03

Yeah, it's like yeah, like he it and maybe also he seems like his set dopamine level is insane.

SPEAKER_07 8:15

You know, he's probably like so stimulated, has to be so stimulated all the time. And that he should probably be so passe though, like he's just got his panties in a twist and he's rockstars have we had, you know.

SPEAKER_03 8:27

I'm sorry, man. No, yeah. I'm just saying how many rock stars have we had that just sort of went down that way. Like every rock star has done an ayahuasca trip, you know. How many times is how many albums are about that? Like I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 8:39

Yeah, he just seems so self-absorbed, and I guess you know, if anyone can make music and put it out, so and anyone gets to judge that music, but to me it it seems like he's making the music purely for himself. There's only one song on the album that I heard where I was like, wow, it actually sounds like he wrote this song for someone. That's okay though. It is fine. Sometimes that's not what I like. Well, there's the the people who did the gates in um the walkthrough. You walk through these orange gates in uh was it Time was it Times?

SPEAKER_11 9:20

No, not Times Square, um uh in New York City. Okay. Central Park. Central Park Park, yeah, they're and the whole the whole thing, they interviewed him, they're like, Why are you doing this? Are you doing this for mankind, for humanity? They're like, we do this for ourselves, like we don't care about anybody.

SPEAKER_10 9:37

And then it it like the documentary was like about them, the gate like passing the gates, and it was like this largest installation art at the time ever. And it was like this is they're like, this is our dream.

SPEAKER_07 9:46

So maybe he just has a dream to womanize and have a fucked up artsy life and be in Hollywood, and it's not that deep, but also like he's trying to be deep, but he's also it's on display so much that it's a little bit like painful.

SPEAKER_03 10:03

Wow, yeah, no, that's awesome. That's a good segue. I mean, let's uh let's sink in. Well, yeah, because we're gonna have you know, that we got uppers, you know, we've downers, and then we rank the top three not hits at the end, right? Alright.

SPEAKER_07 10:16

Are we uh hits on R? I mean I'm writing a novel.

SPEAKER_10 10:21

I mean, or I'm writing a novel is absolutely a hit single. Yes. And then we had some discussion because there was a couple songs that we were like, oh, I feel like I've heard this on the radio.

SPEAKER_03 10:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 10:32

Uh the one song that I have definitely heard, and it's either on the radio or maybe a band that I listened to covered it was uh Nancy from now on.

SPEAKER_03 10:45

Yeah, that seems to be the one that we had more literally.

SPEAKER_11 10:49

And Hollywood Rivers Cemetery Sings and the one that you had mentioned earlier.

SPEAKER_10 10:57

Oh, right, no. That wasn't it. Yeah, what was the one I mentioned?

SPEAKER_11 11:01

Well, you can do it without me.

SPEAKER_10 11:04

That's the one that I said.

SPEAKER_11 11:06

So if if writing a novel is a hit, then all the other could be three hits. Not automatically.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

The songs that are so obvious.

SPEAKER_10 11:27

I think like the I mean the only one that's just so obvious is I'm writing a novel. Let's just let's let if that's just the most obvious, let's just exclude that one and that's it.

hat Counts As A Hit Here

SPEAKER_03 11:36

Okay, so we're we'll include Nancy from N Nancy can be a part of it. Yeah, okay. Maybe that gets a play on college radio.

SPEAKER_11 11:43

College radio, yes. We've heard it on the radio, but it's like not really a national hit. Right. I think yeah, that's that's fair. All right.

SPEAKER_03 11:51

So here we go. This is fun times in Babylon.

SPEAKER_11 11:55

Why is everybody so tense? It's a party.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

Alright. Nice segue, I like that.

SPEAKER_10 12:05

This is probably my least favorite song on the album. I think that's probably why we got off to a rough start. He's got a beatable voice, though. I don't care. He saying pretty. I like beautiful voice. I mean, he yeah, he's got a nice voice.

SPEAKER_02 12:22

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_10 12:24

Is there anything in particular that's bright in your gears about it? Um let me let me take a look at the lyrics here because that's it's not like I said something the whole album I think is nice. Um I like this, it sounds nice. But whatever.

SPEAKER_02 12:40

Oh, the new wing of the prison ring ceremony.

un Times In Babylon Breakdown

SPEAKER_08 12:45

Let's see what it's saying right here. I just feel like it's me, me, me. And that's fine. Before the star of the morning comes looking for me.

SPEAKER_10 12:58

The two songs on an album.

SPEAKER_03 13:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 13:00

Um doing a poor job in really depending on being such a shit.

SPEAKER_03 13:08

No, it's just a feeling. It's just a feeling. Yeah, it is. It's just a feeling. It's okay. That's okay. It's it's really hard to retire. Everything's like communicating. It's like I don't like this kind of game stuff.

SPEAKER_07 13:22

She loves a lot of girls.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

But it was it really like this.

SPEAKER_10 13:34

Look out Hollywood Iraq.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

Look out Hollywood Hirac. Hollywood.

SPEAKER_07 13:43

You have a lot of kids, so paying the bills. Hollywood kids.

SPEAKER_10 13:48

I uh every now and then there's like you know, when you come across a bird like I have to check this. So I I know what Babylon is, like when I listen to Ray I've always known Babylon's bad. It's basically Babylon society.

SPEAKER_07 14:08

The society that was too sinful. Yes.

SPEAKER_10 14:17

So like, yeah, reggae music like Zion is good. So I had some fun looking into Babylon and reading about Babylon.

SPEAKER_02 14:28

Now how the beast comes looking for last year's rent.

SPEAKER_10 14:33

A lot of uh The Beast, last year's Rand, okay. He smokes cigarettes. Talks a lot about smoking cigarettes a lot about women.

SPEAKER_11 14:56

He's just it's it's almost like he's speaking out loud. Yeah. Which, again, I admire that.

SPEAKER_10 15:07

I like songs that you listen to where it feels like it is.

SPEAKER_08 15:12

Look out, Stollywood Hero.

SPEAKER_11 15:15

You don't see this behind the process to it.

SPEAKER_10 15:17

It's like this is an entry in his library more so than a message he's singing to a crowd.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 15:26

Look out Does he compose all these parts for everybody? Yeah. I mean that's pretty cool. That's I would love to see him, the behind the scenes of him making the song with his band. That was a delicate little so I I saw him live once, and uh he opened for Jason Isbel, and that was when I looked into him. Like I said, it was just a name that I'd seen around Father John Misty. Kind of remembered that name.

SPEAKER_08 15:59

And uh punch me and you guys it might cool to talk over this shirt. You can tell me. You want to punch me right now.

SPEAKER_10 16:08

His stage presence is interesting. Um white man. Oh. All white. Yep. Okay. All white, baby. You know, button. Had the shirt buttoned down, wild hairs, can't wear my clearly feeling himself. Which dude, I love stage presents too. He's pretty tall, right? I didn't notice his height. I saw him very weather. Um yeah, 2018 Jason Isbell. Who I love Isbell. I also find Isbell to be a little bit smug. Fair. Just you know, kind of some high horse with sobriety. Oh, okay. It's just me being a dick. Yeah. Uh they do have a similar audience. And I feel like a lot of Isbel fans are kind of smoking too because a lot of Is Bell songs seems like he's being sending her. We have that here. But I get a similar button.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

I love Jason Isbell. Tank And roll into the door.

SPEAKER_07 17:31

Tank kid.

ancy From Now On And Lyrics Confusion

SPEAKER_02 17:32

I'm going where my body leads me to still.

SPEAKER_03 17:36

This is Nancy from now. I confess I have a left. I'm assuming you're familiar with it. I'll put away a few by far of any of the others when you go through.

SPEAKER_10 17:57

Like across the lips. What do you like? What do you think this song is about? Let's ask Nancy. Nancy? Yeah. Just say no. It's about drugs. Because I uh this is the second song on the album, so I would say the first few songs just a cup as a standard. And I can honestly say I read this song clear for lyrics, and I've no fucking clue what it's about. Yeah, I like it.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

It's just hooks and like that.

SPEAKER_08 18:44

It's a good question.

SPEAKER_10 18:48

Like I said, just pop in and listen for a line and you hear me say, how is that building money flow just in the states below? That's a pretty groovy cool line. I don't care what the fuck it's about because the windows are down. Yeah and cruiser by car. But if I'm like really listening to it in the money to I have no idea what they're about to say.

SPEAKER_06 19:18

Yeah, it's it's pretty it's real big. Yeah, you got deleted man. Now what's your query?

SPEAKER_07 19:26

Before the devils made me run, run boy. Shout out to the runners. There we go. Get some miles in. Okay. Look both ways, always.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Gosh.

ollywood Forever And Death Imagery

SPEAKER_07 19:38

It's tolerable. Oh, there's a d there's a dog behind me. Alright, yeah, this is Hollywood Forever in Cemetery City.

SPEAKER_10 19:49

So you guys know um Hollywood Forever in Cemetery in Virginia.

SPEAKER_07 19:55

I've been there.

SPEAKER_10 20:00

Um in Virginia. Okay, I'm drawing. This video is wild for this.

SPEAKER_07 20:26

It's uh after it's Audrey Baba. She's going to fit and he's having to put her in the car, and like drunk off courses, they're funerals. It's weird. I don't know, they made a video that seemed like it was from her perspective and her grandfather died. And then they just started going into like funerals to make them they just kept on going to funerals and died or something. And there's all these presidents and also there's there might be another Hollywood cemetery in Hollywood, but Hollywood.

SPEAKER_10 22:00

Yeah, walking. It's like you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:11

No, it's we walked, we me and Caroline walked through it and it was creepy.

SPEAKER_10 22:16

We had to leave. Like, people get all there's and outside of it, there's all these death murals on all the walls, like all the restaurants and stuff. It's all colonial. It's it's it's worth it to go check it out. In Virginia, in in Hollywood Cemetery. Check it out.

SPEAKER_07 22:33

But yeah, they're digging graves like left and right. Well, I mean, that'd be a that'd be a job, right? A grave digger.

’m Writing A Novel And Cover Art

SPEAKER_04 22:44

It's tolerable.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

Okay. Alright. We're at uh I'm right. This is I'm writing a road.

SPEAKER_08 22:51

So uh hey, we can't even get into like a second rate hotel. I mean a second rate motel, you guys?

SPEAKER_10 22:58

Is that is that how it goes? Is that how you guys do it? Or do you have a secret time? Okay. But we still we still listen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:07

So I'm writing the novels we only care.

SPEAKER_10 23:10

Yeah, this is the hint. Yeah, this is this is what I saw. This is the only money you can spot up.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

And told the people who live there they had to get out.

SPEAKER_10 23:23

I'm surprised you didn't know, Tim, but Goose covers this song. Yeah. I did not know that. I'm uh there's a black dog. I know it's uh it's a hot topic in the jam band of Windy Two, whether or not you're a goose fan. There's a lot of goose aid out there. I like personal. And the dog read it. I think the nothingness would be put on a goose jam and a fish fan was in the room and you didn't tell him it was goose, you might catch it. That monkey might be right. Yeah. But anyways, they cover this song and uh it's pretty good. You open it up, you know, like in the jam band does.

SPEAKER_07 24:00

The lyrics are pretty I mean, yeah, it's just it lends itself to the jam band world, I think.

SPEAKER_10 24:06

Yeah. And it's one of the only songs on this album that doesn't make you want to kill yourself. Right. You know, I'm not like some and it that's not a bad thing, like some songs are so good they make you want to kill like a good Elliott Smith song or something. Oh yeah. He said you gotta have a down on the team, Jim. You ever wanna ride for real and sick? Yeah, unless there's uh another song I missed that's more even. Yeah. Young man was a good one.

SPEAKER_07 24:30

He's a melancholy guy, I think, in general. This album cover is pretty intense.

SPEAKER_08 24:40

That's another question, but I pretended Google Image search in the ice.

SPEAKER_10 24:45

There's new painting, which I totally wouldn't put it past him, just have a picture of himself where it looked like he was painting, but he really wasn't you know, holding up the paintbrush. Right. That's totally possible. But I wonder if he does his own album covers. We should find that out. Does he do his album cover? Yeah, that's some good art. Is that him? Is this album cover? Is that Mr. himself? Is that some really friends? Is that mama, you know, like himself is a bummer.

SPEAKER_03 25:17

Something to do knowing that all-knowing guru. Designed by Dimitri sometime.

SPEAKER_10 25:31

But you know, that's kind of what the album cover makes you think, right? Like, yeah. It would be him. That's Father's office. Yep. Yeah, kind of.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Or just the whole good Sarge drink. I could have scared.

SPEAKER_10 25:48

There we go.

SPEAKER_02 25:49

Perfect.

SPEAKER_05 25:51

Score one for Chris on the that was it is a coolest. It is cool. And uh basically, you know, I don't want to get into the particulars of it, but um I can't. I can't even hate that much that is.

SPEAKER_07 26:04

It's a cool poster. It's a it looks like uh Living on Amusement the artist around here, Hipler.

SPEAKER_11 26:17

Oh, interesting. Yeah, there could be some secret messages encoded in the cover as well as.

SPEAKER_10 26:40

Wait, how long does it take for this a stop, a clap, and a hay? Well, Nancy? Just say no.

unknown 26:50

Everyone's gonna be.

SPEAKER_10 26:51

This is some good raga. Okay, you know, I guess so there's this is another song where he's singing to someone. Yes. Okay. Also 2012 Bonnie Bear. You know. It does it does sound like Bonnie Bear. Like some bunny bear. I kinda he he does it better than that, maybe. Oh no. I remember the first time I heard four Emma forever ago, I was like washing dishes at my dress trap top, and uh got a couple tears running down. I'm like, yo, who is this? This girl was like, it's Bonnie Bear.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

Oh my gosh. So this no, this is very good. Oh, I'm on the field. It's good. No, it's around.

SPEAKER_11 27:44

Is he a Scorpio?

SPEAKER_10 27:45

When is he born? When is when is uh Jother Jothermon Fisty born? I think that's uh uh I'm not big into uh I think he's astrology, but I think he's a November baby.

SPEAKER_07 27:57

Let's see 1982. I'd say Taurus.

SPEAKER_10 28:04

He's a Leo probably for Taurus Sagittarius.

SPEAKER_08 28:11

God damn Sagittarius.

SPEAKER_03 28:23

We like that Father John, hey. May 3rd, 1980. May. So that's uh Leo. It's a Taurus. Oh Taurus, yeah. Okay, shout out to the show.

SPEAKER_07 28:33

He's a bull. He's a bull. I could see that. Okay. So I win. Yeah, you want.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Take an easy chance, Taurus. Why don't you stop talking for a while?

SPEAKER_02 28:53

What the fuck is he talking about?

SPEAKER_07 28:55

Yeah. Writing a novel is just still my favorite lyrics.

SPEAKER_10 28:59

Creatures are Misty's Nightmares point. Yeah, and by this point in the album, I'm like, enough already. Yeah, and it's hard sometimes. Like, I got to this point.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

I'm like, I'll need a walk. Downers. Over the wall.

SPEAKER_03 29:22

I mean, this is you don't want to have like a Taser's choice moment amongst three pros like this. We're going to Avalon though. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 29:30

I would get in the midst of Avalon and say that's what he means. Father John Misty. Yeah. Fuck. Let's all get that slide. Henry and somebody. Timmy, stop changing the song. Do not put Father John Fisty on.

SPEAKER_08 29:50

Father John Misty.

unknown 29:55

Oh.

SPEAKER_08 29:56

That's a new poster idea.

SPEAKER_07 29:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Gonna take my life!

SPEAKER_07 30:00

Oh, stay with us, bud. Come on. Don't don't walk on so out on so many concerts with the pretentious rants.

SPEAKER_08 30:10

But if we pull up this. This is Misty's nightmare.

SPEAKER_07 30:14

Yeah. Why is it one and two? It's got a part two to this.

SPEAKER_10 30:22

It's just not released. There's a couple part one, part two songs.

SPEAKER_08 30:27

Because there's the other song. There's another song later on in the album. TP.

SPEAKER_10 30:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:32

Well my code. Some sort of appear in the dawn.

SPEAKER_07 30:40

Into the Chinese New Year. That's good. That's cool. Score one in my book.

SPEAKER_11 30:46

Fireworks. Chinese? They invented fireworks, right? There we go. The Chinese invented fireworks for sure.

SPEAKER_07 30:59

Oh I I know that.

SPEAKER_02 31:01

And they all go that way.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

Last night of Chinese yeah, it's like in January.

SPEAKER_11 31:09

Shout out to the Chinese.

SPEAKER_07 31:11

Shout out to Chinese. Our Chinese listeners.

SPEAKER_04 31:24

It's tolerable.

SPEAKER_10 31:30

He's got a little nice harmony. He's got some whimperings. Some good whimperings. Um I I tend to prefer the more high and lonesome uh. Smooth. Green. You know, there is a line, one of the lines masculine. I I do really like what he does because he says, uh he says, I'm gonna take my life. And then the next line he says, I'm gonna take my life back today. Yeah. I didn't really like that. Like I like clever lyrics and like things where you're like, oh, that was really cool. So like I did really like I would say that's probably one of my favorite lines off the whole hour. Lines I read that grabbing me where I was like, oh, that's cool as shit.

SPEAKER_03 32:15

He's he's moving on to a next stage in his life.

SPEAKER_02 32:19

Zombie legend speaks to us.

SPEAKER_07 32:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 32:27

Yeah, I think uh legacy clever clever lyrics are something that always grabs me. Which is maybe why um I think I'm a simple person. But uh maybe that's why this has been tough for me to get into because it's not clever. It's like you said, it's all a lot of it's very big. You know, uh there's not many analogies and I love you like this. It's all very metaphorical.

nly Son Of The Ladies’ Man

SPEAKER_11 32:59

Moon River, I love that song.

SPEAKER_08 33:03

Yeah, he's Sunset Strip and then this is all the Sun of the Lady's man. Yes, which uh this is the Okay.

SPEAKER_03 33:27

I have a steady hand of a steady.

SPEAKER_11 33:29

He's a Dodgers fan.

SPEAKER_02 33:31

I'm a Dodgers fan.

SPEAKER_11 33:33

Leonard Cohn was a Dodgers fan.

SPEAKER_10 33:35

I don't know, but I saw um Fish play a Leonard Cohen song called uh Is this what you wanted? Is this what you wanted? Yeah. The house that's haunted. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 33:47

That's a good one. Halloween, yeah. Uh yeah, that's a good one.

SPEAKER_11 33:52

That's one of my favorite, that's my favorite Leonard Cohen song. And I knew it before Fish played it, which was cool. I don't watch Leonard Cohen. It's hard sick.

SPEAKER_06 34:04

Yeah. Chronic Wangular Softitude. Shout out to the ladies, man. Shout out to the ladies, man, out here. Uh you're an angel, my love. Of this I am certain. So this Valentine's Day, let's do some bumping and squirting.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

They tie down his casket with the garter bell. Each troubled heart bell feeding in a sequin dress. Someone must console these lonesome dogs.

SPEAKER_11 34:44

Lots of daughters? Okay.

SPEAKER_02 34:46

So he has no Ross.

SPEAKER_10 34:48

Did you so do you know did the uh Leonard Cohen have a family? Like Did Leonard Cohen have a family? I I don't know much about Leonard Cohen. Other than he wrote uh Hallelujah and uh The Human Night. And I saw a fish cover one of his songs. Sweat up man.

SPEAKER_11 35:12

Yeah, poet, singer, songwriter, novelist.

SPEAKER_03 35:14

Canadian.

SPEAKER_11 35:15

Canadian.

SPEAKER_03 35:17

There you go. That's the big one who's got a family.

SPEAKER_07 35:21

He's got a Canadian family, I'm sure. Yes, he's doesn't look like a ladies' man.

SPEAKER_10 35:27

He looks strictly right what he was because when I was looking up this song, they mentioned that he that Tilman was, you know related to him?

SPEAKER_09 35:41

No, that Cohen was ladies' man, and he that's why he mentioned it in the song. It's not some made up bullshit, right?

SPEAKER_10 35:47

Okay, yeah. Well. He's been married for a while.

SPEAKER_11 35:55

And he almost got divorced.

SPEAKER_10 35:58

Well, it's funny because when I was looking up, you know, Father John Misty uh data. Uh and maybe it was that you mentioned it to me to me. I thought I thought he had gotten divorced too. Or for some reason, I don't know, internet. The internet was a tablet or other thing. That's what I remember. Releases music that people are like, dude, are you getting divorced?

SPEAKER_07 36:25

Exactly, exactly. Oh my gosh. It's like all a um it's a skit. It's like like he's like my marriage on the rocks, but it's all a show, and him and his wife are laughing about it. Because that's just his persona. He's gotta be sad, somewhat melancholy. Because people eat he's like he's like the Lana Del Rey for indie male singers.

SPEAKER_10 36:46

It's a good comparison. I think I like Lana Del Rey more than I I don't know much about Lana, but she's pretty tight. I like her. I think she's good, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

Sally Hatchet lives in a home.

SPEAKER_10 36:58

Yeah. I have a friend who really liked Lana Del Rey. Alright, P. Whitney.

SPEAKER_02 37:05

P Whitney.

SPEAKER_08 37:08

So what's his uh well you can do it? Sally hatchet.

SPEAKER_03 37:15

Yeah, I guess that was all like rumors and speculation about the divorce. Like he's still very much.

SPEAKER_08 37:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 37:26

Like a tar riff right there.

SPEAKER_03 37:29

Yeah, it's a day in the life kind of starts again.

SPEAKER_11 37:35

Smoking cigarettes again.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

And a pass lab in the truck.

SPEAKER_10 37:41

So what uh what instruments did he see? A multi-instrumental? Oh well, clearly because he was a drummer and weak boxes. Right. Yeah. I saw him at Merryweather, he was just on the keys. Oh wow. Uh I can't remember if maybe he picked up a guitar. He plays guitar too. The piano was the centerpiece of the stage when I saw him play. I remember that. Yes.

SPEAKER_11 38:04

And then everybody should check out the uh Board in American, Bored in the USA, David Letterman, or he's playing a player piano.

usicianship And Live Performance Talk

SPEAKER_10 38:13

That's his little skit. If I include if I'm in this type of mood, there are now that thing away. But that's another musician job for first. Yeah, it's like if you want a chocolate chip cookie and these type of brains, like he's not my favorite brain in this vibe. That's not bad.

SPEAKER_07 38:43

I like the orchestra aspect to this.

SPEAKER_10 38:45

I feel like this part.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

Yeah. Yeah. So that's the song. I like I like this part well.

SPEAKER_10 39:08

I thought this is a great headphone song. Oh, this is song.

SPEAKER_07 39:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 39:15

It's even a song title, it's like a uh Beatles song title as well.

SPEAKER_07 39:23

Alright, this one's this one's good. This is a good one.

SPEAKER_10 39:32

Oh, I got a baby sort of fellas. Nice. Where are you going? We're not sure. Honestly, I think it was a good headspace to listen to. Because uh I got I got some drunk last night. And uh when I woke up, uh I was probably well Tim called me, but uh so yeah, the first listen I was like it was a hangover listen. So maybe I was kind of on edge. Okay. So that's why I just was like, fuck this guy. See I still have around feeling. No, you're coming around. I'm coming around. I do uh I'm gonna go ahead and say right away, I think this is uh definitely one of my top three songs. I like what he does with his voice.

SPEAKER_05 40:30

He's a scratchy boy. Give me another drink. He's scratchy. Johnny Redneek, okay?

SPEAKER_02 40:38

If they tell you you're a genius, but you know it's improved. Ask anybody on the payroll to go out with you if they avoid you the war.

SPEAKER_10 40:52

Definitely What's this song about? Also had a hard you know, I I like this song, but as I was reading, just seems to get it right. How hard is it to follow just a few guidelines and smile. It kind of seems like uh stick it to the man sort of song, maybe. While you do it.

SPEAKER_11 41:18

If you make songs that are the food test to go to curse and cook, I'll take it.

SPEAKER_07 41:31

But I think they're just he just tripped out and can't really get a cohesive story going on.

SPEAKER_10 41:46

We were talking about this earlier. It's like sometimes psychedelics do this thing to people where they feel like you're enlightened.

SPEAKER_08 41:59

And it can come off as kind of douchey.

SPEAKER_10 42:02

Yes, right? And it's like, dude, it's great if you're enlightened, like it's what we all want to be, but it sort of feels like he's shoving it down our throats. You can be enlightened and still be a cool dude.

SPEAKER_03 42:17

You know, he's trying to sell us on the fact that he's he's done all these things and he's trying to show this pretty fine on my own. I mean, he is enlightened.

SPEAKER_10 42:27

I mean Google uh search I'm I'm dumb. So like sometimes I will just look up the meaning of the song. I'm like, I just don't get it, I gotta dump. And uh internalized. Meaning search of this song says it expresses themes of being undervalued, replaceable, and underappreciated despite making significant contributions. Oh what if that how he feels? I mean, undervalued, I'm an underappreciated, but I contribute so much. Yeah. That's how he feels. Maybe.

SPEAKER_03 43:03

Okay, this song is called Now I'm Learning to Love the War.

SPEAKER_10 43:15

This is sing so much about when I was in high school, my buddy's older brother is kind of a bit of a degen, but he got in a fight in the cul-de-sac, and uh he just started screaming, I love war!

SPEAKER_01 43:31

I love war.

SPEAKER_10 43:34

That's what this song makes me think of. Just my buddies, we used to call him crazy eyes. I love war! Crazy eyes.

SPEAKER_03 43:57

Their wives were like hanging out, so Larry David had to hang out. Yeah, this wrapper is like super like hardcore from like South Central. And he's like, he used his name is like Crazy Eyes Killer. Crazy Eyes. Yeah, he did like Crazy Eyes.

SPEAKER_09 44:16

Oh man.

SPEAKER_10 44:19

Yes. Shout out Crazy Eyes. Shout out Crazy Eyes. Do it well.

SPEAKER_07 44:25

Shout out to the eye doctors. Eyes are weird. You get an eye pop out of your head. It's not cool. It's just not. Don't let that happen, folks. Talk about it. I had a doctor friend that talked to the eyes. Okay. She said eye department is the s creepiest, weirdest shit.

SPEAKER_10 44:46

Yeah, you ever like see, I mean, the eyes, they're uh all the fibers in there when they see it under the microscope.

SPEAKER_07 44:54

You can tell what's wrong with somebody and what they're deficient in by just looking at their eyes.

SPEAKER_10 45:00

Oh man. When I got off hard drugs, my eye I all of a sudden my I was like, oh shit, I have like brown eyes. Yeah. Instead of just black. How are we feeling about this one? I could never hear this song again.

SPEAKER_04 45:26

Never mind. It's tolerable.

SPEAKER_10 45:29

That is tolerable. It's it's borderline intolerable.

SPEAKER_08 45:42

Oh, did you guys read the lyrics to this song? Yeah! That's kinda kinda cool, huh?

SPEAKER_10 45:48

I mean Rabbit 2 We're just talking about how it's dinosaurs to evils. Like, do you know how much natural resources it takes to make this a two? Yeah. Realize it's like We're destroying the earth too, essentially. So let's make two evils. When I die, they turn me into something.

SPEAKER_03 46:23

That's kind of cool.

SPEAKER_08 46:41

Like, did you guys ever recommend Father John Misty or something?

SPEAKER_07 46:51

Since we did a podcast about it. I'd love to see it.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

Because it relates back to you guys land on Father John Misty.

SPEAKER_03 46:59

It was a it's a uh palette cleanser from last week when we did David Bowie Black Star. Okay. Yeah. That was like super intense.

SPEAKER_10 47:06

We figured. I mean, he is culturally relevant, right? It's not like it's just bowled out of nowhere. Yeah. He's a wild card. I'll take some pedal steel any day, so.

SPEAKER_07 47:17

Yeah, this is good.

SPEAKER_10 47:18

But again, if I want to hear pedal steel, you said whipping it out in the stars. You know who this he sounds like right here? Turnpike two. No.

SPEAKER_08 47:34

He's this stuff. Turnpike swimming. Turnpike two. No turnpike triggers. Check it out. Shout out to the big thing.

SPEAKER_10 47:48

Uh heavy, heavy breaking hard party.

SPEAKER_08 47:54

Southern cross, cosmic surpassing rolling into his hair. Did you listen to driving on the punk standard?

SPEAKER_11 48:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Uh fly me courageous. Oh, we've done their album. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_08 48:18

People do know them. Really like them.

SPEAKER_03 48:24

Yeah, yeah, I think so. Yeah. They have deep.

SPEAKER_02 48:34

Where I came from. In the middle of roundtown. I see people compliment before you come up on what you like.

SPEAKER_07 48:55

I'm a greyhound fan, I like a good Greyhound every once in a while.

SPEAKER_10 48:59

Yeah, I saw that Greyhound.

SPEAKER_07 49:02

It's that's a uh a good croquet drink. Just a little green fruit juice, vodka, throw some club soda and half a lime, maybe, my opinion. Yeah. You know. Call a doctor after that.

SPEAKER_08 49:20

Yeah, you know if you decided to do skin grabs.

SPEAKER_07 49:29

That kind of skin grabs.

SPEAKER_08 49:32

But he's got a good voice, right? Like what he wanted to do.

SPEAKER_10 49:36

Southern sweet ready. I think he's he what's his I think they all sound like this.

SPEAKER_08 49:52

I got something.

SPEAKER_07 49:57

He's just really trying different genre, mini genre tweaks in his own, in his own head.

ate-Album Fatigue And Name Change

SPEAKER_10 50:05

Again, it's just all these other albums like genre exploring are they pretty? They're pretty much the same, but and there's nothing wrong with that. Like, you don't you know, yeah. Not everyone can be ween. That's true. That's true. Not everybody can be a wean album. Yeah, we should. We have done a ween album that. Oh, really? Yeah. Which one? Uh White Pepper? Chocolate cheese. Chocolate and cheese. Chocolate and cheese. Yeah, cheese. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_11 50:33

Alright, we're last song here.

SPEAKER_10 50:36

Also kind of has like a western sort of eastwood cross in the desert. But now it all lost me.

SPEAKER_07 50:49

You know, that like playing sort of ended. Yeah. Someone he's a Hollywood guy. It's a performance.

SPEAKER_11 50:58

You know, it's like uh he's theatrical. Yeah. I think that's what religion back is this one too.

SPEAKER_08 51:07

Um this is another you kinda lost me halfway through the album.

SPEAKER_02 51:18

I think it was uh it was uh Someone too consumed.

SPEAKER_08 51:23

I forget, they all sort of blend together, but halfway there was you know one or two songs in the beginning and keep it hanging on, and then it sort of loses you.

SPEAKER_10 51:30

But for this to be the last song on the album, I don't know. I just turned it off something else on at this point.

SPEAKER_07 51:41

It's good to see it through.

SPEAKER_10 51:43

Oh, you always see it through. Right. I mean sometimes we do an album and we we don't see it through until we do it live.

SPEAKER_08 51:52

Oh really? So there's been some that you just absolutely couldn't stand. Yeah, or just it's just I mean a lot of them we like them.

SPEAKER_07 52:03

Then we end up liking them.

SPEAKER_02 52:04

Yeah, we initially initially listen.

SPEAKER_03 52:09

Sometimes it takes like four or five times to listen to something. It's like we were talking about it earlier where you get like frustrated because you don't understand what's good about an album. It's like I want to listen to this, so and maybe it's just not quick. It's what it's what the the chicks like.

SPEAKER_11 52:29

It's like, oh Father John Misty, oh, he's so deep and I'm rooting.

SPEAKER_10 52:34

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 52:36

That's what it is.

SPEAKER_11 52:38

He's he's Brian uh from Roxy Music. He's like Brian Ferry. He's Brian Ferry from Roxy Music, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 52:47

So turn his He's a douche.

SPEAKER_10 52:50

Yeah, exactly. He's definitely a douche. Take that girls away from us. Yes. So I had a uh the the last car I ever expected and there was uh a CD that was stuck in the douche. But luckily it was uh a live break of that album. And uh and so like the amount of times that I just decided to listen to that album instead of the radio. Like sometimes I'm like I'm just gonna listen to the radio. If this CD was stuck in my car, I would never listen to it. I'll listen to the radio all the time. Or you just had to get a new car. Every now and then I would find one of the songs I didn't buy. But like, I gotta be honest, this album has very little cheap play. I'd listen to this album.

SPEAKER_07 53:40

Okay, we got this line here. This song is for my wife's friends.

SPEAKER_03 53:46

Yeah. It's not for us.

SPEAKER_07 53:49

The rolling made for us. Couldn't give me a myth.

SPEAKER_10 53:52

It was made for that. You know what I'm saying? I was like, did I just defend you? I thought you were saying my I thought you were like, well, my wife and friends didn't miss. They might. No, that was something that your wife and her friends would like to listen to. Yeah, they this was made for them. Right, not for us. Yeah. I don't think you're gonna say, Yeah. And I'm still contradicting myself because you don't want my rights about your more so he's I don't like music music. It feels like it's written to see to a person. It's either written for a single person. Yeah, I feel like a lot of his songs are just about it. But like, you know, this last song does sort of show some vulnerability.

SPEAKER_11 54:47

Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_10 54:49

But you don't get much from him.

SPEAKER_11 54:51

He says, I never liked the name Joshua. I got tired of J. It's so interesting that he's like actually extreme consciousness. Maybe he does actually feel that way, and it's it's obviously probably true, and he writes it in, it's pretty like humbling. He's giving us this little background name preferences, and your pseudoscience and neuroscience says you should like your name.

SPEAKER_10 55:20

You should you know when people say your name, it sh it should sound good to you because they're saying it, they're validating your existence, thus, you know, whatever. So if he doesn't like his name, so if he has problems with his name, if people are calling him his name, he doesn't even like it, he's got some deep-rooted issues already. Yeah. Yeah, I mean someone who's raised You convince yourself that you like your name, it's an okay name.

SPEAKER_07 55:46

People are going to call you it. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_10 55:49

You can change your name, and then half the people who knew you before will call you something else, and half the people that you meet when you change your name will call you that name. And you should be okay with both. Because you're complex and and you had to change your name, which is okay. You're pissing off everybody at work. Yeah, that's the funny thing.

SPEAKER_07 56:09

I mean, just decide.

SPEAKER_10 56:11

You know, I uh I can appreciate and I I do appreciate that there's no doubt about it. The guy's an artist and sort of maybe is one of those people where his art is beyond his music, where he's like, this whole thing, my whole persona, everything I'm doing is like a part of you know could that could be a problem. And it yeah, right, like you said, imagine being married to that guy. He's always working, he's always on, he's always trying to find some imp inspiration. It would be so exhausting. What kind of hang do you think he would be? He would be he would be like probably insufferable.

SPEAKER_07 56:51

He probably wouldn't look you in the eye, he'd be smoking cigarettes, moving things around, not having not talking to you.

SPEAKER_10 56:56

Upset that you like don't have certain things. Yes, you don't have to be judgy with your comments. Yes, lap sang song choi. Shout out to the tea drinkers.

SPEAKER_07 57:06

What about Emma, the wife? I think she probably just does a lot of girl trips.

SPEAKER_10 57:11

Why would she say a lot of time asking? I think uh I think she's a painter. Yeah, she's an artist too, probably. That's probably the picture that Father John that that he made it look like he was painting.

SPEAKER_07 57:24

He just like grabbed her brush and they're probably really normal and just boring, actually. They probably have boring lives and they're normal, but then when he makes an album, he probably freaks out.

SPEAKER_10 57:36

Yeah, he's like, I gotta go to Montana for six months and torture myself too.

op Three Picks And Final Ratings

SPEAKER_07 57:41

Don't touch the don't touch my fucking keyboard. Or the Oreos are gonna be back, alright? Yeah, for that's good.

SPEAKER_03 57:50

All right, let's get into the top three. That was start with our guest. Yeah. Ross. Uh three things.

SPEAKER_10 58:01

My third favorite. You know, I don't know, so maybe I think what I'll have to do is just grab my top three and then put them in order. Because off top, I know I do really uh this is Sally Hatchet. Yeah. Um I mean, I'm a I'm a Beatles guy. Beatles over stones for me. So immediately when I heard those uh guitar riffs, yeah. Beatles. It was good. So I did like that.

SPEAKER_03 58:35

Um that's in your number three.

SPEAKER_11 58:41

That might be your number one.

SPEAKER_10 58:42

No, I think that I don't know if that's my number one. I mean, if I had to throw in two more, because I don't want to. Oh wait, no, no, no. Oh, we need to go around. We just go around. Yeah, we can go ahead and three, three. Okay, perfect. Yeah, so Sally Hatchet's gonna be my first weather. Yeah, but whether or not Oh, is it in your number one? Well, so I'm sort of a a mixed-up kind of guy, so I think I can't think about it too much. So I'm just gonna pick three. Right, and then I'll decide which of those three are my top three. Like Sally Hatchet might be my number one, okay, but I know it's in my top three. And as you guys are going around, I'm gonna pick my other thing. I like it. It was LB and just had like again, something you can put on a party and people. The one that had uh steel, yeah. Right. Yeah, that was LB and it was not too deep, so I'm going with that one. Okay. TP's number three.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:19

I'll go with only son of the ladies, man.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:23

Oh nice, okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:24

It was had an earnest kind of uh cadence to it, and uh it was deep meaning about Leonard Cohen. It was it was like one of these songs where it wasn't all about him, he was getting some yeah uh he was showing empathy uh putting himself in the shoes of uh somebody who deserved it.

SPEAKER_10 1:00:46

Yeah, it's like I I don't like the the new age uh Gen Z, but it's like he was like giving space to someone else.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:53

I'm doing alright, I got my uh covatier.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:00

I love that. Yeah, I love that.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:03

Okay. I mean, and yeah, it's echoing back to probably to what he thinks of himself, even though he's married, which is confusing.

SPEAKER_10 1:01:12

Alright, your number okay, what's your the next so then if I'm going around next, I'm I'm piggybacking TPs one through twelve. I love pedal steel. Uh had like a new Riders of the Purple Sage vibe almost. I don't even know if I'm in the midst of my life. I need to look at he's giving me a to-do list. New Riders of the Purple Sage. Jerry Garcia played fucking pedal steel on their first album. Really? Yeah, you ever heard, you know, Lonesome LA Cowboy? No. No? Oh man. I I'm We gotta start sharing more music.

SPEAKER_11 1:01:46

Okay. I'm on I'm on that tip. And then you what was the other album you said? The True The Troubadours?

SPEAKER_10 1:01:51

Oh, Turnpike Troubadours. Yeah, because TP's one through twelve, that's the one where I said. Turnpike troubadours. Look that up. Yeah, you you guys will you'll dig it. I mean, it's uh it has like party music, you can put them on.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:09

Alright, what am I doing for two? I'm going to um Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings. I gotta go with that one. I like it. It's it's it has the hook, it has that sort of creepy extended um feel to it. It's you know, he is a melancholy guy, he's talking about death, it just fits. I think it's good. Um good video. That's gonna be my number. Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings is my number too.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:40

Well that's all we're gonna do. I mean, that is just it's haunting. Again, he's bringing up Jesus again.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:49

He brought up Jesus like 20 times on this. Yeah, I think he has a little bit of a messiah complex, like Russell.

SPEAKER_10 1:02:54

Well, it was like I said, I feel like that's another one of the songs where uh you know, sometimes it's really it there are certain moments genres, or there's certain songs, music you listen to where you just pop in for a line and you're like, I don't give a shit what it's about. Because I do I do love lyrics and and meaning and stuff.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:18

But sometimes, dude, a slick line is a slick line. Yeah, and that's and uh and that song, yeah, the way he there's a few lines in there with Adderall and weed in your veins.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:28

I love that.

SPEAKER_10 1:03:29

Oh I didn't even catch that one.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:31

Yeah, Jesus Christ. I laid up in hours and a day. Uh retractor Retracting the expanse of your American back with Adderall and weed in your veins. It's good.

SPEAKER_11 1:03:41

I mean someone's gotta let me help me dig. I love digging. You know, my dog likes digging. We're probably gonna dig in the backyard after this. It's good stuff.

unknown 1:03:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:52

No, I was gonna say the same thing. Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings my number two as well. Nice. And all those things are true. I think the the drums are understated or under the whole album now. Yeah, that's true. Very good drumming, great look. Good drummer.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:11

And it's always interesting, a similar thing with the Foo Fighters, where it's like, well, how does that work when a guy who used to be the drummer now has a different drummer? You know. Oh, he's probably micromanaging, I don't know. Right, you just kind of wonder how that works. Like there's such an integral part of uh four-piece or however many people. I forget how many people were on stage when I saw him.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:36

That the echo to that song is a lot like Fleet Foxes. Like Fleet Foxes, uh the way they produce the sound with that echo in it. Well, dude, and that goes out on that.

SPEAKER_10 1:04:46

That's that's so that makes me think of 2012. Yeah. You know, like that echoey that it's uh just like right for me and Ross, that was like right after high school. No. We were like how old were we? We were like in the middle of college, middle of college, about out of college, college years.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:06

That was the the stomp clap.

SPEAKER_10 1:05:07

The formative lumineers were big, uh, you know, like skinny jeans. Should we do the lumineers? I don't know that we will if these were lumineers. We can, yeah. Um you know, kind of like Did you have skin a pair of skinny jeans? Uh yeah. I mean it's going back to looser fashion, maybe now. You know, I just try to uh wear whatever's gonna make me blend in the most. Yeah, that's fair. So whatever just makes me look like the most normal. Not a white tuxedo. If I gotta go a little bit tighter just to look normal, I'll do that. That's what she said. All right, what's your number one, Ross? Uh number one you know Is it Sally? I th well no, I already well so I think Sally probably would be my number one.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:02

You can say you can switch them now.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:04

I've already picked Sally, so I'm saying so just to add a third into my top three, I think I'll go Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:14

Nice, okay.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:15

And so then if I had to rank those top three, wait, no, sorry, did I pick Yeah, just rank them now. It's a it's a close one for me between Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings and Well You Can Do It Without Me.

SPEAKER_11 1:06:28

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:30

Um, but yeah, I think Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings, that song kind of sticks in my head. The imagery, like I said, you know, I feel like when I listen to that song, I can there's a picture that he paints that is easy for me to see that I don't get from the other songs with all these abstract ideas where I'm like, dude, what the fuck are you talking about?

SPEAKER_03 1:06:51

Yeah. Um it's coherent to you. Right.

SPEAKER_10 1:06:54

Yeah. So I would say that is that is in there. So from my top three, I think number one, this is Sally Hatchet. Nice, okay. Number two, Hollywood Forever Cemetery Sings.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:05

Number three, TPs one through twelve. And then honorable mention, well you can do it without me.

SPEAKER_10 1:07:11

Honorable mention, definitely well you can do it without me. I like what he does with his voice in that song. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:17

I do too.

unknown 1:07:18

All right.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:19

That's a good honorable mention. Dang. I don't know. I guess I guess my number one then has to be this is Sally Hatchet 2. I think that song crept up on me and hit me in a different way. This listen. And I gotta I gotta listen to it again, even so.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:36

That's your number one?

SPEAKER_07 1:07:37

Yeah, it was it was it was it was chaotic, it had like all these parts, which is intricate and more complex than most what you see in the indie rock world, and I thought you pulled it off really well.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:51

Yeah. Well, and it was my number one as well, and yeah, that end. But it it is kind of like a rip-off a little bit of a day in the life of the Beatles, yeah. I'm cool with that, man. I am too. I it was it it it it paid a good homage to it, you know.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:07

Because I was thinking about that the other day. I was like, at what point does it stop being ripping off and just start being it's standing on the shoulder of giants? Yeah, it almost becomes like having a writing style that's similar to Shakespeare or something, you know. It's like nobody writes on it. Well, he was one of the best to ever fucking do it, and I studied what he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I like when I hear some if it's just a blatant ripoff where the whole album is like you copied the Beatles, but if you toss a song in where I'm like, ah, it goes round and round. Nice. I dig that. They're on a loop. Yeah, they go around the block, they come back, they go around again.

SPEAKER_11 1:08:48

All the all the artists come back and go, they go back around the block. Yeah, all right. Well, I think that's it. Ross, thank you so much for guesting. Thanks, Ross. Yeah, totally. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_10 1:08:58

Yeah, that was really fun. Yeah, and I just want to go on the record and say I still do not like Father John Misty, and I probably will never listen to any of the songs on this album again. That's all right. And if I had to get, I don't know if you guys do five star ratings, yeah, I would give this album and I'm saying five being the most incredible album you've perfect perfection and and zero stars being a piece of garbage, I would give this album like two point six. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:32

All right.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:32

It's not it is, you know, it's not bad. Like I'm gonna you want to give it a ranking? I'm going, I'm going three point four. Oh, wow.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll split the difference at 3.1. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_10 1:09:46

3.1 is probably more fair. Yeah. I think 2.6 is a little harsh, but I just don't like the game. With some of the songs. We had a wide range. You know, I like to I don't really like him. All right. Rock on. All right. Thank you. You know, the guy made a fucking album.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:02

He did.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:03

It is an album.

SPEAKER_11 1:10:04

We should email him and say, you know, come hang, come have a hang. He might be not intolerable. We'll never know.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:11

Father John, kick us up on on iCloud or whatever.

SPEAKER_10 1:10:15

Let's see where he's playing next to care.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:17

So the bands can