The Shins: Oh, Inverted World

We dive into the Shins' debut album O Inverted World, examining how James Mercer established a unique sound that would define indie rock in the early 2000s.

• The Shins formed in 1996 in Albuquerque, New Mexico with James Mercer as the driving creative force
• The band's breakout hit "New Slang" gained massive popularity after being featured in the film Garden State
• Oh, Inverted World showcases Mercer's distinctive songwriting style with thoughtful lyrics and unique melodies
• The album blends influences from 60s psychedelic rock with contemporary indie sensibilities
• Standout tracks include the opening "Caring Is Creepy," the hypnotic "One By One All Day," and the French horn-featuring closer "The Past and Pending"
• The Shins have maintained relevance with James Mercer as the consistent creative force through lineup changes
• Beyond The Shins, Mercer has worked on side projects including Broken Bells with producer Danger Mouse

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introducing The Shins
• 7:35 Caring Is Creepy: First Song
• 11:30 One By One All Day
• 15:35 Know Your Onion
• 19:56 Girl Informant & New Slang
• 27:25 Girl On The Wing
• 30:35 Your Algebra & Past and Pending
• 39:25 Final Thoughts On The Album

Transcript

Introducing The Shins

Speaker 1 0:00

What are you listening?

Speaker 2 0:01

to the Shins. You know them no.

Speaker 4 0:15

Alright, thank you for listening to the Greatest Non-Hits. I'm Chris and playing the song the Past Impending from the Shins album. O Inverted World is my co-host, tim, and we're going to listen to their debut album. This album came out in 2001.

Speaker 4 0:38

The Shins, if you're not familiar, they're an American indie rock band. They formed in 1996 from Albuquerque, new Mexico, and the driving force was a gentleman by the name of James Mercer, and I mean they're still around. I'm talking about them in the past tense, but in the present tense they're. They're a really good band. James Mercer's the front man and over the years they've had a number of different other artists, but he's really like the main, the mainstay in the lineup over the years. On this particular album actually, yeah, I should say James Mercer and another, the drummer, I think Jesse Sandoval also has been in the band for some time. I know they replaced him with another drummer who plays with them in different iterations, different bands, some of the other, but Jesse Sandoval plays drums on this one. The original lineup James Mercer, jesse Sandoval drums, marty Crandall keyboards, neil Langford bass. James Mercer plays vocals, guitars. He plays other things auto harp, xylophone, all those other peripheral instruments. So they've got a couple of other musicians on the album, but that's the main lineup for this album, their debut album. There's some cello thrown in there, etc.

Speaker 4 2:11

But nevertheless, like I said, the debut album came out in 2001, received critical acclaim. It really established them in the indie rock scene. So their big breakthrough, though, is from a song on this album called New Slang, and it was in the film Garden State, and that really helped boost their visibility. They have a pretty distinct sound too. They're known for. You know their their melodies. There are a lot of very thoughtful lyrics. There's some you know different influences that blend rock, folk and pop.

Speaker 4 2:56

Um, and I would say like from my I mean, I haven't listened to them a whole lot. I listened to this album a few times and some of their albums. I think I liked some of the other albums, like some of their older albums or their newer albums I should say a little bit better, but they've got a good collection, and this one is decent. I'm a fan. Tim is more familiar with their catalog than I am, so, but nevertheless, some of their other successful albums uh, shoots too narrow, wincing the night away. I think I liked that one. And, um, they have an album from 2017 called heartworms. I think that was really good.

Speaker 4 3:38

Um, and within their career, you know they've taken some hiatuses, some reunions after 2012. They went on a brief hiatus. I think that they let go of a couple guys I don't know, maybe Sandoval, I'm not sure. Anyway, they've received nominations for many different awards. I think they've gotten a couple of Grammy nominations awards. I think they've gotten a couple of grammy nominations.

Speaker 4 4:10

So, um, as far as influences, you know they're credited with indie rock, so, um, also, james mercer has some side projects, so, like, in addition to the shins, he's worked on a couple of other albums, including, um, his sideband Broken Bells with the guy, the Danger Mouse, who's a. That's the guy's stage name. He's, you know he's. What are we talking about here? I don't know what his actual name is, but I guess it doesn't matter Brian Burton. Okay, there we go.

Speaker 4 4:43

So, anyway, you know what we're going to do on this podcast, what we do every time. We were going to listen to all the songs. We've got a bunch of sound clips banked. It's going to be hilarious. We're going to, we're going to yuck it up and then, at the end, we're going to give you our top three non hits from the album. So trying to think new slang, we have to, we. I think we shouldn't make that a a hit and exclude that from what we're going to be doing here. So I think I have an idea of about maybe two of what my top non-hits are. But you know I'm going to keep an open mind. We'll listen to it again, see if this, if this hits me differently, with uh, with Tim here, and you know we'll see how it goes. But in the meantime Tim is all settled in. He's going to join us. Tim, how you doing bud?

Speaker 1 5:38

Splints. Splints I've got splints here, oh gosh, yeah, no, I did a nice jog, yeah, nice jog, and oh Did a nice jog with the, With the shins in the background. It was nice Sure Shin splints. Of course I got it I used to get shin splints a little bit.

Speaker 4 6:02

I did too. I don't get them as much anymore. I know I grew out of them. Is that what it is when you're younger?

Speaker 1 6:08

Yes, but I'm growing into this band.

Speaker 4 6:11

Oh, nice segue, Thank you, you're growing into them.

Speaker 1 6:16

I am growing into them.

Speaker 4 6:17

You've been talking about them a lot in the neighborhood lately. Is this a new thing for you, or have you always been a fan from the?

Speaker 1 6:23

beginning there's only a couple songs that really hit. You know the Rifle Spiral, there's the Sea Legs and some of these other songs on the Wincing the Night of the Way and you know the Past and the Pending is Caring is Creepy. Some of these songs are just really good songs that I think, and New Slang. I'm maybe half in the bag on that one and always was. Yeah for some reason people love that song.

Speaker 4 6:57

She says it's life-changing in the movie.

Speaker 1 7:01

Maybe it is, it's got so many more listens than everything else, but I I in my opinion, all these songs could potentially be hits in their own way.

Speaker 4 7:12

I don't know I've got a couple that I've thrown away, but hey, we'll listen. Man, it's time to get creepy, you know we'll uh, time to get creepy.

Speaker 1 7:22

You ready to get into it?

Speaker 4 7:23

are we we going to?

Speaker 1 7:23

Crazy, it's just wild, weird stuff.

Caring Is Creepy: First Song

Speaker 4 7:26

Okay, let's start. Okay, the first song's Caring is Creepy. So let's get right into it and see what we got. This isn't Caring is Creepy. What the hell is that? Here we go. That was the flaming lips. I don't know what that was. Here we go. It's technical, it's technical, it's technical.

Speaker 3 8:01

Long last.

Speaker 4 8:08

Some good rhyming.

Speaker 1 8:18

Shout out to the runners.

Speaker 4 8:25

Hopefully no cramps, no whammies, stay hydrated out there.

Speaker 1 8:31

Watch out for the power lines. Yes, lots of words, lots of tricks On this album. A lot of rhyming, a lot of rhyming.

Speaker 3 8:57

A mess of roads.

Speaker 1 9:03

See, this is a good cheersing song. Yeah, hold your glass up, although he doesn't like to hang out with people. James, right, james.

Speaker 4 9:10

Right, well, yeah, didn't he say? Yeah, he was like uninterested in partying with his friends, like when he was making this album. Right, they didn't know. He didn't know where this was going to go at all, but maybe this adds to the authenticity it's just a ruse to get some rockstar status.

Speaker 1 9:42

Yes, laying bricks the pants with the pants, party with pants. He's just trying to have a party with pants.

Speaker 3 9:50

Yeah.

Speaker 4 9:54

She's like Brick. Are you trying to tell me that there's a party in your pants that I'm invited Feels a little weird.

Speaker 1 10:02

Nice organs yeah, it's kind of psychedelic Nice.

Speaker 3 10:12

Yeah, sort of.

Speaker 4 10:20

A lot of cymbal going on. I kind of like it. In certain places you don't hear the English accent in the song. It's like singing in English he's very enunciated. Yeah, he's from Albuquerque, you know, he's an Army guy, or?

Speaker 3 10:48

Air.

Speaker 4 10:48

Force. His dad was in the Air Force. He traveled around, went to high school at one point in England, germany, so it's authentic.

Speaker 1 10:59

Maybe he just feels like he doesn't fit. He's always just making these. He's got a song catalog, that's his friends. Those are his friends, his songs. Okay, we got it.

Speaker 4 11:15

This next one.

Speaker 1 11:31

This is one by one, all day engine grease and mint is a good combo. Yeah, yeah, let's get fonzie up in here.

Speaker 3 11:44

Yes, One two, one two three, a hill a pine tree.

Speaker 1 11:53

Yeah, shout out to the Fonz and the late great Phil Harmon, of course, Right.

Speaker 4 11:59

And Ed McMahon too, who he was impersonating or ripping on really, and the fox that snails and we can fill a pocket.

Speaker 1 12:10

James is just getting calls to go to parties. He's like no, I'm looking under rocks right now. I'm looking for some snails so I can put them in my pocket. Make a song about it.

Speaker 4 12:22

I don't know, do they have snails in Albuquerque, though? It's too dry.

Speaker 1 12:28

Yeah, it's too dry for snails. Scorpion, I don't know, I don't know what that is. Scorpion's in your pocket? Sure, that sounds like a good idea. Yeah, yeah, this is kind of entrancing.

Speaker 4 12:48

The drums are very interesting. There's a lot of beats.

Speaker 1 13:00

Dare I say too many? No, I don't know. You can hear the pigs slapping I like that.

Speaker 4 13:13

It's just a part of the aesthetic.

Speaker 1 13:17

Yes, like Matisse's cutouts where you can see the pencil.

Speaker 4 13:24

Exactly through these lines, just simple, subtle lines intertwined.

Speaker 3 13:29

These lines, just simple subtle lines intertwining Simple lines intertwining Rock arrow.

Speaker 1 13:42

This is a good one. It's happy.

Speaker 4 13:48

Yeah, I like that they're doing a little xylophone.

Speaker 1 13:51

See, the indie hits the Devil in the Details with these little.

Speaker 4 13:55

Yeah Well, James Mercer does that and a sing. Now can he xylophone and sing at the same time? Has that ever been done?

Speaker 1 14:03

What can he not do, yeah?

Speaker 4 14:06

That's right, you tell him. You tell him Scarface.

Speaker 1 14:12

All I need more of this, please. This is good. I think this one's hitting me even harder. Yeah, on second, third, third, listen here. You know what? You're right. It's got a sort of uh, rhythmic approach. It's hypnotic. I've forgiven the drummer for too many notes at this point.

Speaker 4 14:34

Yeah, he's got to be tired. The sand ball is like crushing him.

Speaker 1 14:40

He's got bricks for arms and legs. Yeah, the pants, the pants part. He's got bricks in his pants. Weird, wild stuff. I did not know that.

Speaker 4 15:04

Yes, all day, don't roll your eyes at this Whoa, okay, that was a Whoa. Okay, that was a. Okay, a strong ending. Okay, all right, this one is called. Does that mean it's?

Know Your Onion

Speaker 3 15:16

well, it's one louder, isn't it? Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 15:37

Purposes crossed between our kinds, between our kinds between our kinds, between our kinds between our kinds between our kinds, between our kinds, between our kinds between our kinds, between our kinds, between our kinds between our kinds, the silver leaves of baby trees To plant as we pass so long.

Speaker 2 16:20

But a short time. I know it pleases me this memory. I've swollen up with it, all right.

Speaker 4 16:45

How about those bears Starting to feel like a Taser's Choice moment between bros?

Speaker 1 16:51

Come on, You're just trying Anyway do you mind?

Speaker 4 16:55

Okay, I'm sorry, man, I ruined the song for a time. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 16:59

Gosh Boo.

Speaker 1 17:03

Boo, good things to you. That was a Taster's Choice moment.

Speaker 2 17:08

Yes, this is a weird divide.

Speaker 1 17:10

I think it's a oh.

Speaker 4 17:13

You're bullish on that one. This one's called Know your Onion.

Speaker 1 17:19

I mean, I think I know my onion, but you never know how well you know your onion. What is that?

Speaker 4 17:28

Like slang for drugs. Know your, I don't know you're onion. What is that Like slang for drugs? Know your, I don't know. Know your onion. What is that? Like a Puppers Testicular?

Speaker 1 17:36

cancer Downers. Yeah, okay, he's closing the windows.

Speaker 3 17:52

Okay, it's kind of like A little bit.

Speaker 1 18:11

It sounds like a little bit. It sounds like 60s music. It does, it really does. It's kind of like a retro. It's coming full circle with this, like Mamas and the Papas shit, yeah, and the Doors really.

Speaker 3 18:27

That was like a Ray Manzarek little thing. They just did there, yeah, but the Doors had more Cajones.

Speaker 1 18:30

Yeah, the doors had more cojones.

Speaker 3 18:34

I don't know.

Speaker 4 18:45

But you can still tell it was made like in the 2000s, despite yeah, tell it was made like in the 2000s, despite they're taking flight yeah, flying somewhere. It's like private school kid music. Yeah, it is. This is like private school stuff. Natalie Corbin yeah, teen angst. Yeah, teen angst. Yeah, the melting sliding dice. We've always been Okay, all right.

Girl Informant & New Slang

Speaker 1 19:55

This one is called Girl Informant. We might have a sound clip of the inspirational girl in the mirror saying she can do all things great, do you believe?

Speaker 3 20:12

Do you believe I can't come to Boston? Well enough, well enough.

Speaker 4 20:23

This was one of my top three.

Speaker 1 20:28

Girls are always using potions, yeah.

Speaker 3 20:39

Girls, girls, girls, why don't you?

Speaker 1 20:50

let me fix you some of this new mo' cocoa drink.

Speaker 4 21:00

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Speaker 1 21:09

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Speaker 4 21:41

Do you cut mustard, the mustard seeds? Is that what?

Speaker 1 21:44

you think I think cutting the mustard. It's a colloquialism. I've never used it. You think it'll cut the mustard? It's like a yeah, cut the mustard is a colloquialism. I've never used it. You think it'll cut the mustard? It's like a.

Speaker 4 21:52

Yeah, cut the mustard. Oh, I think.

Speaker 1 21:56

Nobody says that anymore. Which coffee brand to make?

Speaker 4 22:00

Oh that's. Are we going to do that? Are we going to just talk about shit? Coffee brands. Oh yeah, Are we going to do Folgers versus Chock Full of Nuts versus?

Speaker 1 22:09

Maxwell House oh, 8 o'clock. 8 o'clock blend is pretty good.

Speaker 4 22:13

I'm going to go with that. Yeah, it's a really good band call Sometimes.

Speaker 1 22:17

I have it at 7, so don't tell them yeah, oh, of course not. You're only supposed to have it at that time.

Speaker 4 22:25

Yes.

Speaker 3 22:25

Yes.

Speaker 1 22:34

Oh man.

Speaker 4 22:35

Yeah, okay, this is new slang.

Speaker 1 22:40

This is the hit. It's about Al Kirk.

Speaker 4 22:44

Yeah, it's about him being just disillusioned with the whole scene, not him being just disillusioned with the whole scene. He wasn't partying with his friends.

Speaker 2 23:06

He wrote this before the shinti really formed.

Speaker 1 23:10

He really stretches out the words.

Speaker 4 23:22

Like the word jumped, he's like jumped.

Speaker 2 23:32

Yeah, shout out to the old and bony.

Speaker 4 23:37

Yeah, shout out to the old and bony. Definitely we're thinking of you, right?

Speaker 3 23:40

now.

Speaker 2 23:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1 23:46

Just fill up those forms. Yeah, mine.

Speaker 3 23:49

I'll let them know.

Speaker 4 23:50

So if you just fill up those forms, yeah, if you took to me like a Mine, make sure you don't eat the fruit cocktail.

Speaker 1 23:59

It's a killer, lay off the macoco for a little Lay off the macoco Lay off the macoco.

Speaker 4 24:08

Don't forget to take your Eloquus on schedule.

Speaker 2 24:19

You gotta hear this one song. It'll change your life, I swear. Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 24:24

We're listening to it.

Speaker 4 24:25

Natalie yeah, we're listening, jeez God.

Speaker 2 24:28

Godspeed, all the beggars have done. We're listening to it, Natalie, yeah we're listening.

Speaker 4 24:33

Jeez God, for our lives to change. I know, yeah, my life hasn't changed. Yet we're almost. We're over halfway through the song. I'm twiddling my thumbs. Yes, I'm getting impatient.

Speaker 1 24:45

I did just put in some questionable investments.

Speaker 3 24:49

We'll see how they turn out.

Speaker 1 24:54

Blockbuster video A thousand. Put a thousand on that, one thousand to Blockbuster 2001 was their heyday.

Speaker 4 25:08

That was a rewinder.

Speaker 1 25:10

That was their heyday. That was, you know, a rewinder. That was a good job, that was a rewinder, oh.

Speaker 4 25:17

Yeah, what did that do you just put the tape in the thing and wind it up, yeah, put it back, yeah, and you do it all over again.

Speaker 1 25:26

Pro-rate their fine to how much they didn't unwind. If they didn't unwind the whole movie, it was half of the tape, it was a couple seconds, maybe a couple pennies.

Speaker 4 25:39

Oh, that's interesting. I don't remember that.

Speaker 1 25:43

Okay, you're fucking with me, All right, thanks.

Speaker 3 25:45

That was good. I believed it yeah.

Speaker 4 25:51

No that was a good one, the celibate life.

Speaker 1 25:58

The rewinder. That was a good segue. What is he?

Speaker 4 26:14

talking about here, no sex. I think Looks good I like it or she's not leading a celibate life. So I mean there's not a lot of character development in the lyrics but I just think it's about.

Speaker 1 26:45

Time to get creepy? Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 4 26:50

Like a girl that sleeps around a lot, isn't like one of the girls in the middle who are always first to fall off?

Speaker 2 26:57

Right.

Speaker 3 27:00

I'll bring all my shoes and my glasses with me.

Speaker 4 27:11

Shout out to Saul Rosenberg.

Speaker 1 27:13

This is like a bad Bob Dylan song or something, yeah.

Speaker 3 27:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1 27:25

I mean, there's some bad Bob Dylan songs.

Speaker 4 27:29

It sounds like a bad Beach Boys song to me and Bob Dylan. It's sort of like a cross between bad Bob Dylan and bad Beach Boys.

Speaker 1 27:39

Oh, my great good God.

Speaker 4 27:40

Gentlemen, your attention please. Yes, this was called Girls on the Wind. Okay, we're peaking up here.

Speaker 1 27:58

That was a lovely night. This is upbeat. This is upbeat. Yeah, I like the progression of the album. It goes down, comes back up.

Speaker 2 28:07

It's like a tidal rabbit.

Speaker 1 28:10

Came of age before time. Yeah Right.

Speaker 4 28:15

It's like they're serpentine, you know.

Speaker 1 28:17

it's like you go way up and you go way down and the serpent and the rabbit just tangle. That's right. James is hanging out with friends again. I think he's good, yeah, yeah, this is a little bit more optimistic.

Speaker 3 28:51

He's got a good wingman friend.

Speaker 1 28:56

All right, surrender, let's rock and roll All of you guys. It's a little raw, but it's okay. Barbershop, I'm crazy, it's just wild, weird, crazy, it's just. I like this one a lot. I think it's mostly the synthy sort of synth. I like how it's a synth-y synth. We dance, yeah, it's so profound.

Speaker 4 29:54

Yeah, leer to them.

Speaker 3 29:59

These babies can go off.

Speaker 1 30:06

A song of modern love. Yeah, he's. He's like oh shit, I just met a girl and I'm making a song about it.

Speaker 4 30:23

Yeah, all right, that was good.

Speaker 2 30:28

Wait, just a minute.

Your Algebra & Past and Pending

Speaker 4 30:29

Okay so there we go. What's the next. Okay, this is called your Algebra.

Speaker 1 30:36

Your Algebra.

Speaker 4 30:39

This is kind of artsy.

Speaker 1 30:45

Would you listen to the gibberish they've got you saying it's sad and alarming? Ah, would you listen to the gibberish they've got you saying it's sad and alarming.

Speaker 4 31:01

It is going to get sad and alarming pretty soon. I think I can hear a cello in the background.

Speaker 1 31:09

Before you die, time to get creepy.

Speaker 4 31:19

This is creepy. It's like this is barbershop rock. Seriously, they're like harmonizing in a bad way.

Speaker 3 31:40

I love the shot of Raga.

Speaker 1 31:44

Lost their eyes? What?

Speaker 2 31:53

Lost their eyes? What?

Speaker 3 31:57

Also, you have like really big eyes, and that freaks me out sometimes. Thank you, the fuck is he talking about.

Speaker 4 32:11

You know what? Shout out to Melanie Crandall on the cello, oh, and Niels Galloway on the French horn oh, that's on a different song, but yeah, that was Melanie Crandall.

Speaker 1 32:25

Ah, would you listen to the gibberish they?

Speaker 4 32:26

That was my gibberish. No, it's this whole album.

Speaker 1 32:28

It really is. I wish there was more gibberish. This whole album is gibberish, it really is. I wish there was more character development. You got the chillins in the background. Yeah, see, this is the indie goodness that you like.

Speaker 4 32:46

That's right that you would expect, alright. So what do we got going on A past in a book, pressed in a book. Pressed in a book, I'm sorry, pressed in a book. This is the song you did.

Speaker 1 33:01

I don't know Past and pending.

Speaker 4 33:06

Oh, past and pending. Yeah, pressed in a book, See they're so they're all the same.

Speaker 1 33:10

They're all the same.

Speaker 4 33:11

It's all pressed past, yeah.

Speaker 1 33:19

Tyler Shoelace's runners Head up. Yes, let's go.

Speaker 4 33:24

Get that VO2 max up, keep going. Is that a conditioner? Yeah, it sounds like a conditioner. It does VO2 max. Yeah, it should be. Oh, that's VO5. That's Alberto VO5. Yeah, it should be. That's V05. That's Alberto V05. From back in the 60s, 70s, I don't know Now, vo2 max is like, it's a measurement of, like, cardio fitness.

Speaker 2 33:50

Oh, it all depends like the more you run, the higher the.

Speaker 1 34:02

VO2 index is Again. We have the creepy reference here. There's a lot of them, but creep good people out.

Speaker 4 34:10

Yeah, I mean, when I creep people out, I want them to be bad people.

Speaker 1 34:17

Sometimes you're jogging in the corner. You know that's how I. I creep people out. I want them to be bad people. Sometimes you're jogging in the corner. You know that's how I creep people out.

Speaker 4 34:23

Yeah, if anybody could get a good run and jog in and mess with people randomly, I could see you do it Ridiculously short, running short.

Speaker 1 34:33

Yeah, god, this is great. Yeah, it's good.

Speaker 4 34:39

Yeah, shout out to the guy who runs around all over town in a Speedo. Yeah, Speedo guy. Yeah, there's a Speedo guy in our city.

Speaker 1 34:46

That's why I don't, you know, hate on the shortness of mind. At least I'm not in a Speedo. Close enough. Short, but it's not speedo, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 35:00

His, yours isn't In comparison. In comparison, no, you do do the short short.

Speaker 1 35:06

What the fuck is he talking about? Yeah, I got the headphones on, I didn't hear it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's technical, it's pressing above. Okay, I got bricks and Bricks in my pants.

Speaker 4 35:25

No bricks in the speedo.

Speaker 1 35:28

My legs are bricks. Is that good? Okay, I got it.

Speaker 4 35:32

Okay, I still want to talk about the guy in the speedo. Oh, my great, good God, I still want to talk about the guy in Speedo. Well, I mean because I've come.

Speaker 1 35:45

I think you need a separate podcast for that.

Speaker 4 35:47

Yeah, no, when he's coming in the opposite direction from me as I'm running, you know his Speedo is like it's like right there and you can't help. But not like look right at it, you know it's like oh my great good, it's not gay you know, I mean it's just you know, it just is what it you know. But he's got it nice and you know like secured. You know it's like he really takes because he runs in it every single day. He's famous for it, so it's just like be more fit.

Speaker 2 36:12

We settled down, just no, I mean he's a hell of a runner, but yeah, he's just like.

Speaker 4 36:16

He'd be more fit. No, I mean, he's a hell of a runner. But yeah, he's got like. He's kind of like he's like an athlete in a non-athlete's body. I'll let it go. He looks like Kevin Nealon from SNL, Don't you think? Oh?

Speaker 1 36:30

my God.

Speaker 4 36:31

Think about Kevin Nealon in a Speedo running all over town.

Speaker 3 36:36

I'll bring all my shoes and my glasses with me, just be watching.

Speaker 4 36:41

Yeah, yeah, this is a good song. This is the past impending. This is the song that you intro to yeah, and I'm a fan.

Speaker 3 36:51

Sad, sad Trumpet Held to the past. Who were aware?

Speaker 2 36:58

of the pending Chill as the dawn breaks and finds us up for sale. Into the fog, another low road descending.

Speaker 3 37:29

Away from the cold.

Speaker 1 37:31

Such an indie build up there A little indie build up Transition Indie build up there A little transition. I mean, this song is all vibes, it's an easy song. It's just a vibe, that's what I like about his style. It's not like a hard guitar playing style.

Speaker 3 37:59

It's just simple lines intertwining yeah.

Speaker 2 38:08

Yeah, are you crying? What's that, are you?

Speaker 4 38:10

crying. Am I crying? No, I'm not crying.

Speaker 1 38:14

It's just a taster's choice. This is Taster Folgers. I'm not crying. It's just a taster's choice. This is Folgers.

Speaker 2 38:23

Team Folgers. Really, not 8 o'clock Maybe we should put 8 o'clock in a different category than Folgers.

Speaker 4 38:34

Chalk Full of Nuts is good For a cheap coffee. Cafe Bustelo is good too, bustelo.

Speaker 1 38:41

That stuff.

Speaker 3 38:43

It's jet fuel.

Speaker 4 38:46

It is. It's a little harsh.

Speaker 2 38:48

It's a bit harsh.

Speaker 3 38:51

It's kind of harsh. If your craft is running Feet to the sun Turns into wood Dowsing an ancient door. No one ever holds it.

Final Thoughts On The Album

Speaker 1 39:24

Just loiter the whole day and lose yourself. Yeah, just lose yourself when his cares and inhibitions will be gone and lose yourself, and lose yourself, and lose yourself Deep, deeper and deeper Way down.

Speaker 4 39:53

Oh, this is the French horn. Seems good, I like it. Shout out to Niels Galloway.

Speaker 1 40:10

Yeah, Niels.

Speaker 4 40:15

I've heard the. French horn's like a bitch to play too. It's like it almost like actually hurts to play. I bet.

Speaker 3 40:34

Call the fire department. This one's out of control.

Speaker 4 40:45

Album cover is just like it's got a blue background with some cotton, some cotton. So what's this Taste? Is choice between you guys, deeper and deeper Way down. Is that it yeah?

Speaker 1 41:06

Okay, they ended it with the Like up Nice High note, a high note. They really did.

Speaker 4 41:15

It was kind of melancholy and it did back into Happyville, yeah, I mean they kind of got lost with your algebra and then they made up for it at the end.

Speaker 1 41:26

So it's a good end on a high note.

Speaker 2 41:28

You're right.

Speaker 1 41:29

Some foregone equations. They couldn't show their work Okay.

Speaker 4 41:36

All right, yeah, all right. I was going to ask you to say the next couple plays up.

Speaker 1 41:42

We'll let it ride. You know your onion. Okay, I do.

Speaker 4 41:47

I do know my onion.

Speaker 1 41:49

It's purple onion. They call it red, but it's definitely purple. I want to know your top three though I'm going to go number three One by one all day. Yeah, Good choice. Yeah, it just had that outro and it was like it came to party, even though if it didn't want to go to the party, it came. And it was like came to party, even though if it didn't want to go to the party, it came. It came and it was like what's up hi you know, so that's my number three.

Speaker 4 42:26

No, it's a good song. Man, my number three is gonna be caring. It is creepy. Just because I mean just the fact that it has creepy in there is, yeah, it's absolutely right out of the gate.

Speaker 2 42:39

Great song that's my number three Okay.

Speaker 1 42:46

I'm going to go. You know, geez, I'm going to go Girl on the Wing is number number two and uh, yeah, I mean yeah, it had that synthy thing in it and they really, you know, just dove out of the plane with no parachute, on the solo.

Speaker 4 43:08

It was good, yeah, just it was groovy, I did, I dug it. That's my number two as well.

Speaker 3 43:14

Nice Girl on the Wing.

Speaker 4 43:15

Yeah.

Speaker 1 43:16

Girl on the Wing. It has to be in there.

Speaker 4 43:17

It's a great song.

Speaker 1 43:18

Yeah, james got a girlfriend. He was like bam yeah, what's up, all right, my number one, I'm going to Past and Pending.

Speaker 4 43:27

Yeah, it's just yeah, that's the foreshad. It's always up there, but you went straight with number one.

Speaker 1 43:34

Yeah.

Speaker 4 43:35

Yeah, I'm going to say you know what? That's my number one too.

Speaker 2 43:39

Yes.

Speaker 4 43:40

Just because it was mellow, it was a no-brainer. It was just that French horn. At the end it was beautiful it was yeah. It was good, I dug it, I dug it a lot yeah good album.

Speaker 1 44:02

Yeah, yeah, good album. Yeah, it was a good album. You know good band good solid indie band. You know good drummer good, look, great drummer and more to come from this man. I mean, they really do, I think, get better musically he adds some more talent um they get better in and I think he's receptive. You know he's probably the head man, but he definitely right. You know he definitely lets it in Right.

Speaker 4 44:17

But this album is important because it sets the tone for what you hear later on in their careers. This is a defining. They make their mark on the world. It's their very first album.

Speaker 1 44:29

You don't think early 2000s with this? I don't know, it's kind of the time it was released. Maybe doesn't match when it was.

Speaker 4 44:39

Well because, it became popular in 2004 after Garden State.

Speaker 1 44:43

Yeah, it took a while.

Speaker 4 44:45

But the music, though, is what critics say is a little bit ahead of its time, and I agree, maybe, yeah. Yeah and it may have influenced other music after 2004.

Speaker 1 44:56

And mirroring times from past as well.

Speaker 4 44:59

Well, yeah, a lot of Beach Boys is Pet Sounds-ish. Yeah, not as good, but pretty good.

Speaker 1 45:07

You can't do better than that. Yeah, I know it's hard to.

Speaker 4 45:11

Yeah, it really is, but nevertheless it was enjoyable. It was a good time. Yeah good time. All right Woo, All right take.