Collective Soul: Self-Titled

Ever find yourself yearning for the raw energy of a guitar solo that takes you right back to the flannel and combat boots of the 90s? That's where we're headed as Tim and I revisit the unforgettable tunes of Collective Soul's self-titled album. We'll travel down memory lane, uncovering the roots of these Stockbridge, Georgia rockers and the magic behind tracks like "The World I Know" and "December." As we dissect each song, you'll be transported back to a time when alternative rock reigned supreme, and you might just discover some hidden gems you missed the first time around.

Navigating the emotional highs and lows of life with a New York City backdrop, we don't shy away from the tough stuff. We explore the surprising interplay between vulnerability and strength, and the therapeutic power of a good cry (or a strong cup of tea). Our chat takes us from the eclectic streets of the Big Apple right into the heart of the songwriting process, where inspiration and the pulse of the city fuse to create musical legacies. We'll even tackle some of the industry's biggest controversies, including accusations of musical mimicry, and why the word "smash" became synonymous with the decade's hits.

To cap it off, Tim and I get philosophical, breaking down how metaphorical language colors our worldview—how "rain" isn't just weather, but a canvas for our collective imagination. We're linking cultural touchstones like The Simpsons to life's deeper meanings, and we'll speculate on the surprising connection between dry cleaners and thrift stores. By the time we wrap, you'll have a head full of tunes, a few movie quotes for good measure, and perhaps a deeper insight into why some find solace in pain. So, plug in those earbuds, turn up the volume, and let's get rocking.

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:10

Alright, thank you for listening to Greatest Nine Hits. I'm Chris and playing the world I know from the first collective soul self-titled album is my co-host, tim, and we want to thank you for listening today for today's episode, and we're going to cover an awesome band from the 90s Collective Soul. They're an American rock band formed in Stockbridge, georgia, in the early 90s. It was originally known as the Ed Rowland and the Sweet Tea Project before they changed their name to Collective Soul. So that's the band's founder and lead vocalist, ed Rowland. He formed the group with his brother, dean Rowland, who played rhythm guitar. Will Turpin, who's the bassist, ross Childress, lee Guitar. Shane Evans, the drummer that was a lineup at the time. We've gone through a couple of changes. I think a guitarist or two, maybe the drummer left later on were replaced by some other members, but nevertheless these are the performers on this particular album Released January of 1995.

Speaker 1 1:16

It had gained its popularity from a song called Shine. We've all heard Shine before. It's Let Me, let your Life Shine Down, that kind of thing. Anyway, they had that as a popular single. This sort of followed up with it. So this is like the second, or maybe technically the third album that they put out up to this point in time. So we're going to go over all the songs on this album. The singles from it were Gel, december, smashing, young man, the World. I Know which Tim is playing right now and when the River Flows, so it's going to be those five songs. There are 12 songs on the album all together. We're going to listen to all of them. At the end, of course, we're going to rank our top three songs that we liked. It didn't get the love that these five did, and then we'll go from there. So, as always, we want to thank you for listening, as you always do every week. What else can I say about this band? I guess?

Speaker 2 2:22

we can probably go back to their beginning days.

Speaker 1 2:27

They formed in 1992. And, like I mentioned in Wikipedia, according to Wikipedia the bass of Dave Neal, guitarist Ross Childress that I named off earlier and I think that I guess it was Will Turbin was yet the bassist, and I think now Wikipedia says Johnny Wrapp. I think that's the current drummer. So the original guys that I mentioned before are on this particular album, but nevertheless they formed in 1992.

Speaker 1 3:03

The Stockbridge is a suburb of Atlanta, shout out to probably near the airport. I don't know, on the map it kind of looks like it's in like the southeast area of the metropolitan area. So there are a couple of other interesting bands that came out around that time. Driving and Crying, I know, is from the Atlanta area. They were popular around that time and I liked them. The Black Crowes, of course, were from the Atlanta area. I think Marietta, if I'm not mistaken, I think had a buddy here or two in college claimed to go to high school with them. I think it was, I don't know one of them Marietta, dunwoody, whatever. Shout out to all those suburbs, chambley, etc, etc.

Speaker 1 3:53

But nevertheless music was good from that era and from that area of origin and it was. I think Atlanta, just as a community was really growing by leaps and bounds at that time. There seemed to be tons of creativity and it was all good stuff. This band seems to be a little bit on the just sort of like the peace and love kind of hippie part of the spectrum, which is fine, you know, I dig that myself and it seemed like that was sort of the theme of this album. It kind of had fake references to relationships and breakups and things like that, and I guess you could categorize or classify their genres Alternative rock, hard rock, post grunge, to name a few. Ed Rowland was a producer with Matt Stenrich, I believe his name's slow and the label was Atlantic. You're getting better, man. I'm digging what you're doing. I'm digging what you're laying down. Now, all right.

Speaker 3 5:14

So here's Tim Hi Tim, how you doing bud Doing good, All right.

Speaker 1 5:31

You ready? You ready to rock with the collective soul today. As you're as you're adjusting your seat.

Speaker 5 5:39

Yes, Embrace the struggle that's right.

Speaker 1 5:43

Get those headphones on. What did you think of this album?

Speaker 5 5:47

I like it. It's a it's like a hard rock, like Blind Melon, sort of a 90s encapsulation piece here.

Speaker 2 6:00

Okay.

Speaker 5 6:00

Yeah.

Speaker 1 6:01

Blind Melon was kind of hot around this time.

Speaker 2 6:03

Yes In 1994 was their year.

Speaker 6 6:05

And there was this, it was yeah.

Speaker 1 6:08

Shine and, yeah, blind Melon were rocking it around the same time.

Speaker 5 6:13

Yeah, you know, mtv obviously had a part with the Nirvana hangover, nirvana Soundgarden Pearl Jam.

Speaker 1 6:22

Yes, then we eased into this right.

Speaker 2 6:26

Yeah.

Speaker 5 6:26

Maybe a little three 11 in there. I don't know.

Speaker 1 6:30

It's like a cross between three 11 counting crows and I don't know, let's say the band that I mentioned from Atlanta. Black crows there's so many If the bands had a name Crow in it, they were influenced.

Speaker 5 6:47

Something like those Dang crow crow bands. That's right. Well, you know, this is an album for the collective soul. A little chicken noodle soup for the soul, maybe. You know, boil the whole carcass in there to get the juices, you know.

Speaker 1 7:07

Right.

Speaker 5 7:08

You got to get the juices.

Speaker 1 7:09

Yeah, Collectively we're just carcasses and juices. Basically somebody gets down to it. That's all that we are.

Speaker 5 7:19

Yes, that's a quote from Tom Robbins. Our greatest human adventure is the evolution of consciousness. We are in this life to engage this, enlarge the soul and liberate the spirit and light up the brain. Or we have the Bill Hicks version.

Speaker 4 7:40

All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration.

Speaker 1 7:46

Yes, okay, yeah, I mean I'll take that.

Speaker 5 7:49

Yeah, so we're collectively here. Okay, so let us dream of tomorrow, where we can truly love from the soul and know love as the ultimate truth, as the heart of creation. That's Michael Jackson, oh, wow.

Speaker 1 8:04

Yeah, so a lot of people are on the same page. Yeah, we're all saying the same thing, but just in different words, and that's the collective soul of the music community writ large.

Speaker 5 8:18

So, we also have Plato. Music is the moral law. It gives soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, and charm and gaiety to life and to everything.

Speaker 1 8:35

Well, shout out to Plato and Aristotle and Bill Hicks.

Speaker 4 8:39

That we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively.

Speaker 1 8:45

Yes, Well, are you ready to listen to the collective non-hits?

Speaker 5 8:50

Yeah, I practice way more I know, you guys, you got more.

Speaker 1 8:55

You got more to offer here.

Speaker 5 8:57

Yeah, no, no, keep it going Just all right, I was talking about.

Speaker 1 9:02

Oh, it looks that's. Oh, all right, so the first song. Okay, is this one simple, it's a non hit and it kind of starts off like kind of like in a muffled kind of a yeah. Sounds a little bit red hot chili pepperish.

Speaker 5 9:21

It does Suck my kiss kind of way.

Speaker 1 9:25

Yeah, it starts off as suck my kiss kind of has this.

Speaker 5 9:30

Yeah, simple, simple little recording trick here that they do Exactly and they pop into it right, right, there we go Now into some really I like the guitar.

Speaker 1 9:46

This is okay.

Speaker 5 9:51

I practiced this one a little too. I just thought my fingers hurt after a couple. A couple tries here.

Speaker 1 9:59

Yeah, it's hard to acoustic.

Speaker 5 10:03

A lot of pull offs.

Speaker 2 10:04

Yeah, no, that's the biggest lie I was ever told.

Speaker 6 10:23

It's not that simple.

Speaker 5 10:26

It's a lie. They tell you over and over again.

Speaker 1 10:36

It's not a lie. Who's that guy was saying it's not that simple.

Speaker 5 10:42

Some guy on the computer screen.

Speaker 1 10:43

Yeah, I can't even remember now.

Speaker 2 10:46

Is that?

Speaker 1 10:46

simple. Saying something about the simplicity is the lie.

Speaker 5 10:53

Why is simple? It's simply a lie. But it's not a lie, it's simple, it's easier. Weary soul.

Speaker 4 11:09

Yeah, it always was.

Speaker 5 11:19

Yeah, just to.

Speaker 4 11:38

Excuse me, Flo.

Speaker 5 11:47

People in a simple diner. We know it Surprise. This one didn't chart at all. It's not bad. I think this one's got that good energy.

Speaker 1 12:20

It's rocking.

Speaker 6 12:31

It's not that simple.

Speaker 5 12:46

No, that's the biggest lie I was ever told.

Speaker 1 12:49

What do you think of that song? I like it.

Speaker 5 12:51

It's very sort of Jane's addiction. The drums are really powerful. I like hard drums.

Speaker 1 12:58

If you're going to, it's going to be a rock song. It just would go all the way. It's not like John, it's not as good as John Bonham, but yeah, they were. It was aggressive I like that.

Speaker 5 13:07

They're not afraid to kick it into fifth gear right away.

Speaker 4 13:11

I'm not afraid anymore.

Speaker 1 13:13

That's right, all right. Well, let's go to the next song. What do you guys? This one's called Untitled.

Speaker 5 13:18

What's the title?

Speaker 1 13:20

Untitled.

Speaker 5 13:22

No no, just like their album and their other album.

Speaker 1 13:25

Exactly Just like two album. What the hell is that? This is? They call this the blue album, I guess.

Speaker 5 13:31

Okay, this has very similar vibes to simple.

Speaker 2 13:34

Yeah.

Speaker 3 13:36

It's not that simple, no questioning.

Speaker 5 13:46

No questioning. Who'd they questioned? I don't know.

Speaker 1 13:51

I don't even know what they seized. I'm still trying to figure that. It's like.

Speaker 5 13:56

Pontus Pilate Questioning.

Speaker 1 13:59

Jesus I said yeah, there's some biblical references in here.

Speaker 6 14:05

Anybody says, I believe we put them up and feed them. I'm saying what Kind of scenarios.

Speaker 1 14:10

That's right.

Speaker 5 14:16

Roland's father was a preacher. I didn't know that he was the poor man's therapist. People used to come over all the time and vent and he would talk to them. This occasionally led to Ed as well having to talk to people, because he was the preacher's son.

Speaker 1 14:42

Oh, a little turp in there. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 14:45

Ed Roland.

Speaker 1 14:46

Oh, roland. Okay, yeah, his dad was a preacher.

Speaker 5 14:49

That made more sense. You know, not everybody has a therapist. You just go to the preacher.

Speaker 1 14:55

Hey, they're there to listen.

Speaker 5 14:59

It's a lie. They tell you over and over again. Oh okay, they're listening, I'm listening. They could just nod, yep.

Speaker 3 15:10

I like this song.

Speaker 1 15:13

I don't think he liked it.

Speaker 5 15:15

No, I'm not afraid of it, but it's okay. It's no blind melancholy man, but no, no, it's okay.

Speaker 1 15:36

Well, they're committing to simplicity. This is a hard. They're sort of like the they do.

Speaker 5 15:42

they're simple but catchy band yeah, sort of like bad company of the night.

Speaker 1 15:48

They're the bad company of the 90s.

Speaker 2 15:49

Oh, wow.

Speaker 1 15:51

That's a good analogy. You like that.

Speaker 2 15:56

What's not simple.

Speaker 5 15:58

I mean yeah, I do Okay.

Speaker 3 16:16

Okay, got a little head there.

Speaker 1 16:20

That was supposed to be a pala cleanser.

Speaker 5 16:23

But okay, it's meta dust touching buttons. I had a laugh. We believe. We believe in what we're doing here. We're going to have some tears. Are you crying? We're going to make each other cry, purple, purples.

Speaker 6 16:55

I'm going to be here tonight.

Speaker 3 17:01

All right, yeah, that was a nice inspiring yeah.

Speaker 6 17:08

Coach from miracle on ice, kind of a pep talk. You were meant to be here listeners, thank you.

Speaker 1 17:13

I mean, I'm just going to play a little bit of music. I'm going to play a little bit of music. I'm going to play a little bit of music.

Speaker 5 17:19

I'm going to play a little bit of music. You were meant to be here listeners. Thank you. I'm just going to play that over and over again.

Speaker 1 17:27

I know we need that, like every morning, with our cup of coffee.

Speaker 6 17:29

Yeah, exactly, sick and tired of hearing about the Soviets. God, this is your night.

Speaker 1 17:37

Right, because that's the world I know yeah.

Speaker 5 17:47

Oh God.

Speaker 1 17:48

I'm getting for clenter.

Speaker 5 17:49

Oh, duck on selves.

Speaker 1 17:53

Not a cry right.

Speaker 6 17:55

Oh God.

Speaker 1 17:57

Oh geez, now we don't need that. Oh, what happened there?

Speaker 5 18:01

Oh, technical rock and roll rock and roll rock and roll. Okay, all right, we're violent. Who we got on violin here?

Speaker 1 18:13

Yes, good question. Several people, dave. Well, there's video. This is a yellow guy, dave. Dave Chappelle. Dave Chapel I think this is where these Steven Sigurds, and it's on cello.

Speaker 5 18:33

You got cello up in here.

Speaker 1 18:34

Jeremy Miller, jeremy with a G. What's that what they'll? What happened there? Oh, oh God, there we go. Okay, I'm scared, I, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm still afraid.

Speaker 5 19:00

New York City. He said I knew York. Yes, that's a very interesting place. Do you know a lot of New Yorkers who keep talking about the fact that they want to leave but never do? And I said, oh, yes. And he said why do you think they don't leave? Why don't they leave? Because it's a prison of their own making. Oh, self-constructed prison are there? Yeah, they're used to the shackles, their Prisoners, as well as the gatekeeper. Yeah, they're comfortable, they're comfortable in their shackles.

Speaker 1 19:31

They need to. They can't go, they can't leave Because they can't handle the world that they know right or other than the world they know.

Speaker 5 19:43

Their wardrobe is all grayscale.

Speaker 1 19:46

Yeah, what's up with?

Speaker 5 19:47

that the subway has gum on it, so oh, it has chairs in the subway metro metro chairs, not like that.

Speaker 1 19:58

Yeah this, there's more gum.

Speaker 5 20:00

I walk up the edge. Seaworld below Steepest shit here.

Speaker 3 20:14

Oh, am I crying no, not crying.

Speaker 1 20:28

I'm not a cryer, I don't cry. I, you know, I work out. I have hobbies. I don't, I work out.

Speaker 5 20:34

You can cry and work out, yeah.

Speaker 1 20:36

I cry and work and drink tea at the same time. Don't do any of those three things at the same time.

Speaker 5 20:41

Well, if you're working out and hurt yourself tonight, cry Drink tea and work out.

Speaker 1 20:47

No, that doesn't work.

Speaker 5 20:50

Drink myself of a newfound pity. Well, shout out to those sitting alone. Listen to us with their cup of Darjeeling. Here we go. Yes, we're going off the edge.

Speaker 1 21:05

It doesn't matter, you don't have to have to be Darjeeling, it could be hibiscus.

Speaker 5 21:09

It could be oolong.

Speaker 1 21:11

I prefer low biscus. Yeah, I prefer no biscus, I prefer the green tea. I just the the hot water with a little scrape of turmeric and ginger Little shave of honey, little cardamom, it's a good thing.

Speaker 5 21:31

Yeah, it's a good thing.

Speaker 2 21:32

Hmm.

Speaker 5 21:33

It's a good thing, that's special.

Speaker 2 21:39

Oh that's right, oh, oh.

Speaker 5 21:51

Shout out to the string section getting their opera says go Go team, go team opera.

Speaker 1 22:01

We're shaking the eight ball here and we're asking the eight ball Are you down with that string section? And we're shaking it and it's saying All arrows point to yes, all right, all right. So shout out to the strings there. That was good Well that's.

Speaker 5 22:25

What else do we have about this song?

Speaker 1 22:28

Um, I'm sure there's a bunch of shit. I don't know.

Speaker 5 22:32

He's working with a brother, dean. It's kind of like shine, mm-hmm. Um, it became a hit, you know? Yeah, I don't have facts. He says there was some grit and dirt to New York City, especially around Times Square and Union Square. Back then I literally walked out of the room, took a two hour walk around New York and just absorbed and observed from highs and lows of what society was offering in the greatest city in the world. Back then there were still homeless people living in car box, were boxes. Then somebody pulled up in a nice limousine with four coats and walked right on by Just to be in that big city. I was looking at what the good was, what the bad was. But also, you don't know what good feels like until you feel bad. You don't know what's bad until you feel good. So I was trying to use the whole imagery and using it with New York City as I walked around.

Speaker 2 23:33

Oh.

Speaker 1 23:34

Well, there's a lot to absorb when you've got, you know, seven million people, you know, packed in Manhattan. There's no other place. There's no other environment in the whole, at least the US with that encapsulates, wow, a wide range of the highs and lows all in one Block, and so it's got an energy where you can, you know, see a wide range of different things at any given point in time. So that's kind of an interesting way of Putting pen to paper on that, on that idea. I don't know that.

Speaker 5 24:08

Yeah, this is their third number one. But this behind shine in December.

Speaker 1 24:15

Yeah, yeah, it's up. Yeah, that's definitely one of their big.

Speaker 5 24:18

Although it didn't like tank shortly after, one of them only stayed on the the charts for like a couple months. I would say the next song like this one, we're gonna do like smashing young.

Speaker 1 24:30

Yeah, maybe this is a little single it was released a single, but it seems seems to be not a hit. My recollection was that this was just a flash. I don't really. I really hear this on the radio a lot. I was Contemplating making this a non-hit, but it wouldn't even be in my top three If if we put it in the non hits anyway. But I don't Not that it's a bad the the. I like the lyrics kind of clever.

Speaker 5 25:05

It's kind of a like a A song in response to Billy Corrigan's slagging them off calling Frontman Ed roll and a shameless ripoff artist. Really.

Speaker 1 25:18

Wow, who did he rip off?

Speaker 5 25:21

He says his riffs that they were ripped off from Smashing pumpkins, referring to Corrigan song Inocerous drown and snail, which sound very similar to shine. But Roland firing back never mentioned Corrigan, calling this the smashing young man a synthetic like self lit spotlight.

Speaker 1 25:53

Be it, I don't see, I don't, I don't hear it.

Speaker 2 25:56

No.

Speaker 1 26:02

I'm not. I mean, I love the smash he said it wasn't.

Speaker 5 26:05

Yeah, he claims it's not about Corrigan. Oh.

Speaker 1 26:08

Oh, it's something that is right on song facts here.

Speaker 5 26:13

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 26:22

Well, it's not special I just have the word smashing in it. Smashing pumpkins are coming out the time as well smash mouth.

Speaker 5 26:35

Great band Got a lot of them.

Speaker 1 26:41

Yeah, they're a little harder. Yeah, they got a little more of an edge. Yeah, smash man. Yeah, they're a little bit later, but yeah, I yeah, the word smash was around a lot in the 90s, I guess.

Speaker 3 27:09

Some good shit huh.

Speaker 5 27:15

I Good little cigar, so, or, uh, it is cigar guitar solo. Puff it up, you smashing young man.

Speaker 3 27:41

I.

Speaker 1 27:43

Think we're due for like that yeah before.

Speaker 5 27:49

Before another big hit. We need a palate cleanser on this. Yeah, in this one slow raga it is raga.

Speaker 2 28:03

Of a shop raga.

Speaker 1 28:10

Yeah, you want to go like with a, like a sweet Betty Davis, or yeah, manic Betty Davis.

Speaker 3 28:16

Now, when I'm very good and do as I am told, I'm mama's little angel and Papa says I'm good as gold to all those she's like looking at her sister be good to your babysitters, all right.

Speaker 1 28:31

Yeah, yeah, this is right before she goes completely nuts. Oh, she's already nuts in that thing, she's a sure in the chair.

Speaker 6 28:39

In the chair.

Speaker 1 28:43

Okay so what are we doing next here?

Speaker 2 28:46

a big one.

Speaker 1 28:49

This is one of two or three. The world I know in this, what's your big ones?

Speaker 2 28:57

Hmm.

Speaker 5 29:02

Good baseline. This is about a dispute with the Producer. Oh man what's never said anything was good enough.

Speaker 1 29:25

They'd have to be afraid not afraid anymore.

Speaker 3 29:34

Oh how.

Speaker 1 29:45

Well, sir, latex key Work with a bunch of other bands like Atlantic record, axic, matchbox, 20 share, taylor Hicks, edwin McCain, another band called blessed Union of Souls, rob Thomas. Okay, I don't know, I'm not. I'm not too down with any of that, to be honest with you.

Speaker 3 30:09

Oh yeah, it's about.

Speaker 5 30:14

How we felt like things were happening quickly. This is the relationship to tear rating with his manager. Felt like he was being used and whatever, and it was never good enough.

Speaker 1 30:35

So you made a song about it. Yeah, yeah, while they're ascending cuz.

Speaker 5 30:40

I mean what exactly they were killing it. But he was probably maybe he wrote this, I think on the road on that, for cuz they were whisked away off on tour. Okay for Because of shine right and they didn't want to. But then, straight, they were like no, you gotta, you gotta go to tour for a couple months and Then they really want to. They were like whisked away on boot camp to this tour and then he was writing, that's they had so many arguments about.

Speaker 5 31:12

Well, I mean they, of course they wanted you have to.

Speaker 1 31:15

At the time when you toured, you were promoting album right tour. It's not kind of not like that, yeah, but but the product deal was probably bad for the band and good for the management with the deal right for sure. So maybe they were being pushy about getting them out there so they could make the money.

Speaker 5 31:31

They also didn't make money until a year after this. There was a settlement in court and they didn't make. Do they what? Yeah, I got sorted out, I don't know. Okay, it doesn't say, but it took them a year to get paid for this album, which Roland considers the real debut, their real debut. But uh, what's the debut when they start making the coin? Yeah, exactly. It came down.

Speaker 1 32:04

And all this stuff went down in December. Well, you know.

Speaker 5 32:07

January was the end of the year too, because they had. It was the last month of the year they had to. It's like an ending without saying it.

Speaker 1 32:17

That's. I was just sort of like a dragon. A pain to play this. I guess it's a basis is in it. Indirectly, the song is about the pain of recording all these songs that they were in. December night before that were released 93 night actually yeah, maybe that's Now baby, just spit me out all this baby stuff.

Speaker 3 33:06

I.

Speaker 1 33:11

Love a good Reverend Brown sound effects Fight.

Speaker 6 33:23

Fight the battle of Jericho. It helped Daniel get out the lines dinner. He helped you again get off the island.

Speaker 5 33:34

All right, that was great Little buttons will have a button power power cleanser in there. Yeah, we'll flag it.

Speaker 1 33:52

So and this is, this is a hit.

Speaker 5 33:56

This is some fight club. Hit me shit right here hit me. I'm gonna hit you. This album has a flow of Excuse me flow flow of you know, soft heavy, soft heavy kind of thing going on, if you noticed.

Speaker 1 34:26

Like in tone or just over in the thing distortion and the in the pace got you.

Speaker 5 34:32

I Think all the songs kind of have a similar downcast down trodden but up like a seed of uplifting this. I hear you a tense like Issue at hand.

Speaker 1 35:02

Like that, my silence, beauty. Where's the only complicated task?

Speaker 5 35:06

we. I could learn a thing about that. Yeah, no.

Speaker 1 35:10

I mean after us? Yeah, probably for us, but in every day.

Speaker 5 35:14

Context are we waiting to talk or are we listening?

Speaker 3 35:26

Help it if I've got a heavy flow.

Speaker 4 35:28

I can't help it if I've got a heavy flow and a wide set. I can't help it if I Can't help it if I've got a heavy flow and the white white, what excuse me flow?

Speaker 6 35:54

Where the river flows Through the mountains, over the woods, through the mountains, over the woods, under the woods.

Speaker 5 36:07

Shout out to the gods of the season yes, repent, repent the gods.

Speaker 1 36:20

Joshua, I'm a bit shout out to Reverend Brown. Oh.

Speaker 5 36:29

Another collective soul to hold? Hmm, talking about souls and rock and roll? Hmm, isn't?

Speaker 1 36:38

that special.

Speaker 6 36:39

Oh well, Hmm.

Speaker 5 36:45

I hope a little someone called Satan isn't around the corner.

Speaker 4 36:56

Excuse, me flow oh that movie was hilarious.

Speaker 3 37:04

Oh.

Speaker 5 37:07

Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 37:09

Another hit. They got back to back hits man Jellies. Oh yeah, I remember this one.

Speaker 4 37:17

I heard y'all.

Speaker 1 37:19

Yeah, like Cameron Diaz and Ben Stiller of a shop, rocker this is barbershop and sound of the weather. I just ran out the pace picking up you.

Speaker 5 37:52

Five-dollar shake. That's just milk and ice cream, just milk and ice cream. Five-dollar shake, no bourbon in it. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 38:08

Wasn't a that place. Ets burger tap and shake. Shout out to tenly town in DC.

Speaker 5 38:25

Glitter to so mundane. What Don't change. People Say the same. That's right, he.

Speaker 3 38:35

She, he, shake a leg, shake a shake, not stirred, just want, just won't. Oh, just ran out. I.

Speaker 6 39:04

Is that a hair gel?

Speaker 1 39:07

are they time?

Speaker 5 39:11

Little, a little knuckle, children jail Wait just a minute.

Speaker 1 39:29

So I would have your top like between the scene, the just a minute scene and the something about Mary seen no, fast times always wins. Yeah, I'll go fast.

Speaker 2 39:39

I'm so isn't.

Speaker 5 39:40

Ben Stiller is always, I judge, kind of a bee a bee rating for me, but he's hilarious, gets so many quotable, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 39:52

Yeah, judge is underrated.

Speaker 5 39:58

Oh.

Speaker 2 40:04

All right yeah, before we go to the next one you want?

Speaker 5 40:06

to do it. Oh yeah, should we get a car cleanser easy?

Speaker 3 40:08

Let's go crazy bet, oh yeah press a button, ring a bell, and you think the whole damn world comes running, don't you?

Speaker 1 40:17

Yeah, later on that movie she goes nuts and that's part of the going nuts there.

Speaker 5 40:21

So yeah, no, this collective soul stuff. She was never seen in the movie actually. Yeah, that's the whole time, but she really showed it, you know came to surface right there, yeah, so anyway we're going.

Speaker 1 40:35

The next song, this she gathers rain. That was a little. That was supposed to be rain heavy flow. Yeah, that was heavy flow, there you go.

Speaker 5 40:48

Good little riff again. Yeah, also can compare it to simple and untitled very similar again. Yeah it's 90s bad company. Trace for success, now or later.

Speaker 1 41:19

I like this, I just.

Speaker 5 41:24

Know what are we doing here now.

Speaker 1 41:29

I thought this is sort of like a woman of the night kind of thing won't you to hold on to God's unchanging hand?

Speaker 3 41:36

I.

Speaker 1 41:50

Says that a drug reference. She's got his rain. She's a drug dealer, yeah.

Speaker 5 42:02

You gotta cleanse.

Speaker 2 42:06

So how about the weather, louise?

Speaker 1 42:12

So rain is just a metaphor for Imagination we're speculating her misdeeds.

Speaker 5 42:17

Yeah, we're cleansing, we're speculating on her cleansing.

Speaker 6 42:45

I won't get a hold on the God's unchanging hand.

Speaker 1 43:04

This is nice, I'm buying it. Maybe you know, I Don't know what you're giving a poker face. Yeah, no, you're not, you're just like yeah, man.

Speaker 3 43:44

I Well, it's not that shaw.

Speaker 2 43:53

Classy chip.

Speaker 3 44:00

Some good shit huh.

Speaker 5 44:19

Oh, she's rinsing it away. She's got a deep sink. You know, not stainless steel, it's like one of those porcelain ones.

Speaker 1 44:32

Yeah, she was a guilty about the solvent that she used to clean it.

Speaker 5 44:37

So yeah, just all you need is a little lemon, little Little salt. Yeah, rains a metaphor for that you know, shout out to the lemon tree Growers out there. Yeah tell me your secret. I don't. I don't know how to get a lemon tree going here.

Speaker 1 44:55

Yeah, shout out to lemon pledge.

Speaker 5 44:57

Lemon shout out to mr Clean. Shout out to mommy's out there. Mommy's out there, we love your work.

Speaker 3 45:04

Oh, mommy, okay.

Speaker 5 45:09

All right, we need a little power cleanser.

Speaker 1 45:11

Yeah, let's go Rain.

Speaker 2 45:15

Ah, let's have a look at the weather, louise.

Speaker 5 45:19

All right. Okay, it's raining again. We're on number nine.

Speaker 1 45:31

When the water falls. Okay, so we went from the rain to water falls.

Speaker 5 45:36

This is a little hippie-esque. Yeah, I'm afraid you may have hit me. This is 10,000 maniacs all of a sudden.

Speaker 1 45:48

Yeah, Kind of yeah they are. They're kind of like the 10,000 maniacs of the staff.

Speaker 6 46:00

They're done.

Speaker 3 46:16

You ruined my barbecue.

Speaker 1 46:20

So this is like about like fathers and mothers and daughters, and they're questioning each other, yeah, you know back and forth, kind of a. Thing.

Speaker 5 46:29

Your parents aren't perfect. You're not perfect because your parents were perfect and the cycle continues. Okay, and you just have to go to the preacher therapist down the road if you got issues, okay.

Speaker 1 46:41

Yeah, that's that. That is the answer, right there.

Speaker 5 46:44

And you got many subjects Okay, so you can talk about the sky or something.

Speaker 1 47:02

I never ever apologized, shout out to the Simpsons fans out there. They're like in season five or six, I think, during this time. That's crazy. Yeah, They've been around for years when this came. Think about that.

Speaker 3 47:27

I know.

Speaker 2 47:34

It's not the snapshot, garlic. So how about the weather, louise?

Speaker 5 48:08

Behind the clouds, yeah, from the clouds. Did we just tell you that the rain goes down?

Speaker 2 48:18

Yeah.

Speaker 3 48:21

Yeah.

Speaker 2 48:26

Yeah.

Speaker 5 48:30

Lyrics work well here. I mean, it's a little redundant.

Speaker 1 48:35

Yeah, I think this song like I think it kills at Story hour at the library. Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 3 48:43

I'm afraid you may have hippies.

Speaker 2 48:51

Yeah.

Speaker 1 48:59

That feels better. Nice, this one's called that collection of goods.

Speaker 5 49:15

Shout out to the secondhand shoppers out there, the good willers, the salvation armies, the the do-gooders, secondhand buyers out there, especially the secondhand buyers to get jacked up on iced coffee and Hit up as many thrift stores as you can on on Sundays. That's the lifestyle I know that I love.

Speaker 1 49:44

I know I do weird. It seems like they're always next to dry cleaners. Well, this is not weird. I mean doing anything.

Speaker 5 49:52

Yeah, all the stuff from dry cleaning that the people don't pick up, they just give you the thrift stores. Yeah there's a little bit of a little good idea there, yeah, and then you know, you know people that work there and get their stuff dry cleaned.

Speaker 1 50:12

I'm looking at the band photo. They look like they got that stuff, goodwill yeah. So yeah, it's their tailor, yeah.

Speaker 5 50:20

Yeah, yeah, I don't know. They get stuff from goodwill and they tailor it. That's what they do that's. That's this kind of bands vibe, yeah, this is a nine hit for a reason.

Speaker 4 51:00

There is nothing more to be added to it.

Speaker 1 51:03

Shout out to the yogis, shout to the swamis. I Don't know medicine, this we have.

Speaker 5 51:45

Peace, love. I'll go back to baby javis. Good, good flange on the guitar. I suppose they've got the little it's. It's yeah, it does have that a delay flange going on.

Speaker 1 52:30

I Can, even after your four songs, that about wanting more that.

Speaker 5 52:38

Well, when you go, you're a maximalist, you know.

Speaker 4 52:47

I am. That is nothing more to be added to it. Oh.

Speaker 6 53:07

Oh wow, you were meant to be here tonight.

Speaker 1 53:13

That's a pal cleanser, right. Her Brooks has nothing to do with that song. Oh, this one's called bleed what we got for this nobody makes me bleed my own blood nobody. Yeah, little dodgeball.

Speaker 5 53:43

Oh, the sun rain. And yeah, it was raining yesterday, remember.

Speaker 2 53:56

It's just key. Rock your honor and yes, I'm ready.

Speaker 5 54:07

She keeps her pain as company. What does that mean?

Speaker 1 54:10

Some people, just like the yeah, harbor around pain and not yeah, she gets off on feeling pain, makes her, takes her mind off of like company it's yeah or misery loves company you can, and you don't have any company, so you just love yourself maybe.

Speaker 5 54:29

Yeah, something like that. I'll talk to the preacher son about that, yeah.

Speaker 1 54:33

No, you can't talk to a preacher about, because there's might be some non-church it you're talking about.

Speaker 5 54:39

Yeah, there's like blood.

Speaker 1 54:39

There's flow.

Speaker 5 54:40

I don't know, I don't know what, any is there's wide set. Yeah, this is wide set, wide set issues, and there's Tomatoes for some reason.

Speaker 1 54:55

Yeah, I just don't think you should have songs about flow and then blood in another one, and Because then it starts to get into a weird place and I bet I'm gonna sit the next couple plays out. I don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not all of us not a big fan of blood?

Speaker 5 55:33

Yeah, I can never be. Uh, in the healthcare profession, shout out to you that are excuse me flow.

Speaker 1 55:43

Sorry, what the doubt? Or are you saying, uh, I felt like I got you on that side?

Speaker 5 55:51

No.

Speaker 3 56:20

Oh, oh, not a cryer, I don't cry. I you know, I work out, I.

Speaker 5 56:50

Don't like veins. I don't like seeing veins either. I'm not a big fan of that, I mean.

Speaker 1 56:57

What about arteries? No, that's the same thing.

Speaker 5 57:00

Yes, I feel like Just faint immediately and hit my head.

Speaker 1 57:07

It's like uh yeah, can you see him right through?

Speaker 5 57:13

your stand. Maybe, like Sandra, you know she's like no, I'm spinning.

Speaker 1 57:18

I'll shout to Sandra.

Speaker 5 57:21

She's spinning the the home stretch, the, the, the, the, the the the the, the, the, the, the, the the the

Speaker 6 58:08

the the, the, the. Are you too good for your home?

Speaker 3 58:18

Answer me Change has been, change will be.

Speaker 1 58:25

Who's?

Speaker 2 58:26

playing Bob.

Speaker 5 58:28

Longo Joe.

Speaker 3 58:31

Time will tell, the time will ease.

Speaker 1 58:39

Maybe a Luis Enrique percussion.

Speaker 2 58:42

Oh shit.

Speaker 3 58:43

Been drawn. Let my heart can go when my heart does that's fine.

Speaker 5 58:52

Shout out to Will Turpin on bass here, ed's on vocals and guitar keyboards, dean's on rhythm guitar, of course.

Speaker 1 59:04

Shout out to Jackie Bertram and Becky for those background vocals. That was kind of nice, I thought.

Speaker 5 59:14

We got some sly guitar here.

Speaker 2 59:17

Hey.

Speaker 5 59:22

That's like a dobro Sounding thing. Yeah, some steel guitar.

Speaker 1 59:27

dobro, they're kind of the same family, right, they're the same family.

Speaker 5 59:32

You go dobro.

Speaker 1 59:34

You go. How now dobro?

Speaker 5 59:36

How now dobro. How now dobro.

Speaker 1 59:40

Hell, no dobro.

Speaker 5 59:45

Hell, no dobro.

Speaker 1 59:51

Alright, we're going to put a bow on that album. We're going to do the top three.

Speaker 5 59:57

Let's get a little rain here.

Speaker 1 1:00:02

You want to put that on the background. What a loop Without a loop. Yeah, Okay. We don't have to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 1:00:07

Yeah, we were so close, I thought it was going to be over and over again If we do something like this All right.

Speaker 1 1:00:19

Yeah, we're going.

Speaker 5 1:00:28

So I guess I'm going top three, simple. I'm going. Simple. I'm going to take how they came up fast out the gates. I'm going the blue horse with the weird name.

Speaker 1 1:00:42

Okay.

Speaker 5 1:00:44

For number one Simple.

Speaker 1 1:00:47

Yeah Well, number three simple right.

Speaker 5 1:00:50

Our number? No, yeah, the first song.

Speaker 1 1:00:52

The first song is your three.

Speaker 5 1:00:55

Yes, yep, you got it All right.

Speaker 1 1:00:59

Okay, well, my number three Is simple as well. And for the same reasons too. I mean, I kind of liked how it was kind of direct, aggressive, like sort of uh and the drums were you know, really strong and I like the riffs and they even had a nice little guitar part in there.

Speaker 5 1:01:19

So that was my number three. Number two Uh, when, when the water falls, what is that? One, yeah, the water falling. One, okay, yeah. Then we got uh, it's good.

Speaker 1 1:01:39

I think that was number Number nine.

Speaker 5 1:01:43

Yeah, yeah, number nine yeah, it was. Had that nineties nostalgia, it was, uh, I feel like it. It could have been hit on another day you think so no but but maybe you know, in an old trance, in an alternative collective soul reality.

Speaker 1 1:02:06

Um, I'm going number two, I'm going reunion for me, because that song was what this album should have been about, which are like they should have had more slower ballads. I think they're good with the slower stuff versus the the head.

Speaker 5 1:02:23

I think they're better with the slow, but you need the fast to have the slow almost, and you need the up tempo to have you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 1:02:29

I know, I understand.

Speaker 5 1:02:30

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:02:31

And it did that in the first part of the album and not the second. Okay, uh, but a lot of the good non hits were, you know, towards the end, and reunion is almost my number one. It's close but uh. I liked it for that reason. It was a. It was a good, solid, slow ballad that could have been, I think would have represented well as a hit.

Speaker 5 1:02:52

Okay, Well, for my number one vibration, All matter is merely energy condensed. I'm going, uh, going bleed. Number one, and the message was really great. You know, talking them off the ledge, uh, you know, just you know, had a good message. Great guitar solo Um, probably the most touching song on on the album.

Speaker 1 1:03:26

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 1:03:27

It's good.

Speaker 1 1:03:28

Yeah, it was. It had you know the metaphors. It had the. It had the gray guitar. So I really liked the guitar. So that was what sold it on me. Uh, but you know, the, the, the rest of the song grew on me as it as, as it went by. So, but those that, that was that song 11 and then 12 was my number 10. So at the end, this one goes to 11.

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Speaker 1 1:03:47

Exactly, and those aren't very. You know, if we, when you look at the number of plays, like on Spotify, whatever it's, they don't get very many relative.

Speaker 5 1:03:53

No, this album, album pitter, is out and uh, I don't. I feel like you know it's got some special ending there.

Speaker 1 1:04:01

Yeah, yeah, those were worthy of being decent non hits. That could have been hits the rest of them for me, but Well it's not special.

Speaker 5 1:04:10

It has some special songs. It really does. You know, they're catchy, um, they are 90s nostalgia. You know, maybe collectively between me and Chris, it's not our favorite album here. No, not by long, but um, I learned a lot and uh.

Speaker 1 1:04:31

Well, they belong, they belong in the conversation. They they should have their place as a, as a 90s band and, yeah, this album we heard those hits on the album over and on the radio, over and over again. We've all heard December. We've all heard, uh, the world.

Speaker 5 1:04:48

December is great.

Speaker 1 1:04:49

Yeah and uh. This is their world, I know.

Speaker 5 1:04:51

Wow.

Speaker 1 1:04:53

Biggest selling album, but I think of all of them really. So, um, yeah, so I think it was it was good it was, it was good to revisit and reflect and uh and uh. I think I might uh, I'll give it a listen again. Yeah, but uh nice. Yeah, but good talk man yeah.

Speaker 5 1:05:11

Good episode and sweet dreams and, uh, jolly, jolly good mornings to everyone Amen.

Speaker 1 1:05:17

All right, take care folks, bye, bye, bye.