Phish: Junta

We're about to turn you into a Phish fanatic with our latest episode, where we connect with our super fan guest, Dr. Dave Sampson. Not only is he a keen fan, but he's also your friendly neighborhood dentist! Let's just say that when it comes to Phish, Dave is the one with the fluoride and the facts. So, sit back, relax, and let us navigate you through the band's debut album, Junta. We'll touch upon everything from the band's first experience recording in a real studio, their knack for playing around with sound effects, to their bold defiance towards record companies. 

You might think you know more Phish, but do you really know Phish? The band is known for their versatility, and no album showcases this better than Junta! In the second part of our discussion, we deep dive into the band's lyrical content, their use of words as instruments, and the origin of the album's character names. Do not fret; we also cover their phenomenal live performances, discuss the Broadway influence, and even talk about peanut butter! Yes, you heard it right. 

Brace yourself as we move to the final part of our episode, where we highlight the band's inspiring influence on other musicians and how they managed to keep their lineup intact. We will also share some behind-the-scenes stories about pin collecting, band photography, and the captivating world of concert venues. As we wrap up, we can't help but appreciate the love that Phish has garnered from fans of all walks of life. Whether you're a Phish newbie or a lifelong fan, this will be your one-stop shop to get your Phish fill. So, stick around with us, and let's go fishing for some fun and insightful musical tidbits!

Transcript

Speaker 1 0:01

Wash your feet. See the drama different. Say Wash your feet.

Speaker 2 0:06

See the drama different. Say Wash your feet. See the drama different. Say Wash your feet.

Speaker 1 0:14

See the drama different, say Alright, thank you for listening to the Greatest None Hits. I'm Chris, and with me is my co-host, tim. Tim, how you doing? Bud Woo, we are, yeah, this is your episode. It's fish, finally. Yep, we're doing a very first fish episode and it's their debut album. Janta, not junta, not hunta, janta, okay, and named after the band's first official manager, ben Janta Hunter. This is a classic. You know both. You know Tim and my guest, who I'm going to introduce momentarily. Both agreed that you know to do a podcast on a studio album. It could be none other than this one. It's their very first album, apparently beloved by most all fish fans as their oh, this is the greatest hits as their greatest hits, but there's no hits, right, well, I mean amongst fish fans, they're all favorites.

Speaker 1 1:18

But yeah, in the spirit of the show, all the songs today, we're going to listen to them, as we always do, but at the end they're all up for voting. So we typically exclude the non hits, since they're a cult band. None of them are really hits per se. They're all open for our ranking. So I'm excited, tim is excited and we have an exciting guest with us today Dave Sampson, dr Dave Sampson, our dentist, is joining us. Dave, how are you doing man?

Speaker 4 1:51

Oh, I'm doing great. Thanks so much for having me man. This is great Awesome.

Speaker 1 1:55

Well, we're glad that you're with us. We chose Dave to join us today. He is our dentist and immediately when you walk into his office, he's a super fan. He has posters in every single room of the office, from the reception area to offices yeah, all the multiple offices. When you look around you can see, oh wow, they're all fish posters. Oh yeah, and it was really. It was a good experience going in there Amazing experience.

Speaker 1 2:28

Yeah, upon that, I asked the dental hygienist, we need to get this guy on our show, and he luckily agreed. So thank you for joining us.

Speaker 4 2:37

I didn't agree at all. She said someone wanted you on a podcast and I hid in my office under my desk. I go oh, I can't do this right now.

Speaker 1 2:44

No, I mean no. It's great, though I know we're going to love your stories, so, but the first question I want to ask you is you know, tell me a little bit more about your affinity with fish, like how you were introduced to them and how you evolved into the fan that you are today.

Speaker 4 3:03

Okay, well, traditionally, in any fish podcast too, it's always good to start out with. At 109 shows. I like to say I'm 42 at Madison Square Garden, because it is the greatest venue on. It is the world famous Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 4 3:17

I was a grateful deadhead from 1988. I was listening to high school, loved the grateful dead, saw plenty of shows and in 1995, when they ultimately stopped playing, my best friend who had turned who I had turned onto the grateful dead said you should come see fish. And so I saw fish for about 35 shows. I hated all of it. I didn't like any of it, but my best friends were there, and in order for me to hang out with my best friends, I had to go to fish. And it wasn't until they finally broke up, which, coincidentally, I listened to the album Jinta and completely blew my mind. I knew it was probably time to jump on this train, that my friends were up, they knew something so, and that's how I got turned onto fish. But it was really because there was only one place I could hang out with all my best friends.

Speaker 3 4:03

I mean 35 shows and not a stalwart fan, and I'm at 48. And I was a fan from day one. But yeah, keep going.

Speaker 4 4:11

Oh, dude, I was, you know, I liked it dark, I liked the grateful dead.

Speaker 3 4:14

Fair yeah.

Speaker 4 4:15

Very heavy lyrics you know, heavy stuff, and then one of these guys playing carnival music for carnival.

Speaker 3 4:21

I love that.

Speaker 4 4:21

But it's all come full circle, because if you listen to enough fish, you realize it's heavy as heck. There's a lot going on. There's a lot of life lessons happening in fish, especially now.

Speaker 1 4:31

Well, that seems to be the characteristic of their style. I mean, they're very unique in the sense that they they oscillate between you know different genres of music very seamlessly through the tracks. True, and that was like the big takeaway that I got when I started, you know, listening to this album no more than maybe three or four weeks ago was. I mean, I had heard independently the divided sky and Esther, and of course you enjoy myself and those I had heard those multiple times at different parties over the course of the last two decades. I kind of I understand now why, the more you listen to it, the more you're expecting to hear all these little notes that are underneath other notes that are layered in, and you begin to it begins to sink in, and so I'm not there yet.

Speaker 1 5:33

You guys have been to multiple shows. I've never been to one show so fair and after doing this, I mean it's going to be. Well, it'll be a goal of mine to go to Mass and Square Garden. Possibly I don't think I'm going to go for new years, but I think we're doing a couple of shows we got to go to a show.

Speaker 1 5:51

Yeah, I'll go to one of those, gotta go.

Speaker 3 5:54

That may be a good jumping, you know, to get your slap, you know, and your and your little cues ready.

Speaker 1 5:59

No, my, oh, yeah, that's, that's more you.

Speaker 3 6:02

So my intro to fish was my buddy Chris, other other Chris. He was crunchy, like you know dude used to like eat mussels, like eat mustard packets. We fermented applesauce in the bottom of his car he was. He was a weird dude and he gave me fish 10 to read the fucking book, a big ball jam.

Speaker 3 6:23

And they did like Jesus left Chicago and a bunch of other ones and that was read the book and he's just trays freaking out and that's like such a cool, the passion, and then like the, the weirdness and the sort of pseudo derangement of tray and that little tire aid hooked me instantly Like this guy's awesome.

Speaker 4 6:45

Oh yeah, and he's not wrong. We all should read the book, and if you don't know what the book is, we're not going to tell you on this podcast.

Speaker 1 6:53

That's another yeah, we'll get there. It sounds kind of advanced. I don't even know we can't.

Speaker 3 6:58

Yeah, like like Dave said, you know there's a lot of inside jokes. We there's. We can't get to all of them today.

Speaker 1 7:04

Trey, trey, anastasia, for. For the lay person, yes, and the vocalist lead singer.

Speaker 3 7:10

They are. They're all vocalists in their own right at different times in the song.

Speaker 1 7:14

So yeah, that's true. He seems to be the one that that that sings agree A, a, a a plurality maybe, or what would you say?

Speaker 4 7:23

He's doing, especially now. It is a lot of his stuff is is taking the lead. A lot of his material is really what's pushing at this point. Um, uh, for good or for bad, you know it is, but if you ask me, the best singer is the drummer. He's got the best voice. The least is the best singer for me. I love his tone, I love it.

Speaker 3 7:38

I think it's a raspy. It's like got that Nina Simone quality.

Speaker 4 7:43

Yeah.

Speaker 4 7:45

You know, um, but for you guys to pick junta as the album, if someone was at a, hey, I want to start listening to fish, what album should I listen to? I mean, the meat of fish is in this album, you know. And I'm not saying the hits, but I'm saying if you want to know what fish is all about, especially in the early nineties, you know this was fish on the on the road. Uh. So you guys picked a great one. You know, getting into some of these other albums would have, just, you know, been. So if you're out there and new to fish, this is the one you want to start getting all that it was Tim's call.

Speaker 1 8:13

Yeah, it was so. Yeah, good call man.

Speaker 4 8:16

I mean, it has you enjoy myself, it's and when I'm with you, I you enjoy myself yeah.

Speaker 3 8:22

It's and so yeah, is it wash your feet, seas, or is it? You phase a, this is Italian or something.

Speaker 4 8:29

You're not going to get anybody to come down, yeah.

Speaker 3 8:31

All right, this rabbit hole yeah. I mean, I'm not saying, they drive me to forensic, which is right. Town and town, or they drive me to forensic like a crazy for forensic. Frenzy, frenzy, frenzy. Yeah For frenetic.

Speaker 1 8:44

Yeah, so there's, there's culture and nonculture um ways of right, you could put a cultural hint on it If you wanted. Well, I mean the, the, the, the lyrics on Spotify when you wash you, fizi, drive me to forensic, but they in practice, and the shows of what Tim was telling me is that it's it will wash your feet, seas, drive me to a frenzy, like you were to, I guess in a playful way of wait we have we have a.

Speaker 3 9:20

We have a clip here. We have a clip here. This is this is where it breaks down. This is so this is what they do trampolines on this song, right, they do trays dancing. They all do this. Do you like the vocal jams?

Speaker 4 9:37

Absolutely not. I liked it when they did it and it was new and they did it like once and everybody's like Wow, this is great. And then, when they did it every single time, it became a burden.

Speaker 3 9:46

But the lights during that is fantastic because, yeah, this is like where I would kind of go to the bathroom. Urinal song yeah, very good, yeah, very good, but urinal segment.

Speaker 4 9:56

It's fair game. You enjoy myself the last two minutes. Okay, you can do that. Yeah, half part of the song was written while they were in Italy, so that would kind of and they also you know a lot of broken English going on there trying to communicate with them.

Speaker 3 10:08

So Now, what was the record, the photo? They have a Every time they were recognized in Europe. The sound guy, what did he do you?

Speaker 4 10:18

know what he took the picture. He tilted it down, so it cuts our heads off, yes, but I think it wasn't in Europe. I can't. I think it was Europe, it was on the Europe great, great gag, especially when you don't have a digital camera and you don't find out until you get home and go to photo mat and they come Out and you're like we got pictures of a fish and you were so disappointed that they cut all their heads off. It's just their bodies.

Speaker 1 10:36

That's pictures. That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 10:39

Yeah the documentary has a tray haggling with this guy over like guns and whips in this like weapons shop it's. It's shotgun tray at its best. It's good.

Speaker 1 10:48

Yeah.

Speaker 3 10:48

I'm looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 10:49

I'll but check it out anyway, well, well, good talk, man. Let's you ready to get into the album any last thoughts, anything you want to get out?

Speaker 2 10:59

Yeah.

Speaker 4 11:01

No, you know, one of the interesting facts about this album is when it was written, there was only a recorder doers on cassette tape, and cassette tape is slightly longer than CDs.

Speaker 3 11:10

I mean sorry.

Speaker 4 11:11

I can't take can so when they did so when you had to put it out. That's why they ended up with the filler material right. Cds because you had extra time, yeah, so what was I saying? Did I say it the opposite way?

Speaker 4 11:22

Yeah, no, yeah so this was written for a cassette, yeah, and so it was perfect timing for a cassette. But then, when I went to CDs, you had to tack on an extra CD, which gave you extra room, god, so that's why you end up with the bonus tracks, and I thought that was good.

Speaker 1 11:34

Oh, okay, got it. Yeah, no, that's that makes sense. So yeah, there are three. There are 11 songs on the original studio cassette, like you mentioned. There are on the deluxe version. There are three tracks at the end, bonus tracks. They're all live, they're all pretty good, but we'll we'll exclude those from what we'll be listening to you today in the order. Okay, the first song is fee, though, like any, any Any thoughts about fee, that we should probably talk about before I start.

Speaker 3 12:02

Well, yeah, dave was saying it was they, you, they try to be a hit, or what was it?

Speaker 4 12:07

I think it's the most most marketable song. Okay that's for if you're gonna put anything and try to get anything on the radio. Maybe this is it, but I think the whole theme of this album is we're gonna do everything we can to turn off record companies, right.

Speaker 1 12:21

Right again, yeah, so yeah, cassette 1989, the 1992, when Electra Records signed them it was probably the, you know the, the reps at Electra probably you know that was their thing. Let's make, you know, let's try to push fee as the single. So this right, this was a, this is this song was attempted to be single and it kind of didn't okay stick.

Speaker 4 12:45

Well, the first time they ever got into a studio like a real studio with real music.

Speaker 1 12:48

Wow.

Speaker 4 12:49

Like real instruments and so they were like kids in a candy store. So basically you could hear the amount of sound effects on this album. The other number of instruments are on it. They're just messing around. Yeah, yeah, they are really. Could have been more efficient about this, but well, it kind of adds to the charm.

Speaker 1 13:03

I thought I kind of liked it after a while. It is it's you kind of. You have to push through this album, you have to listen, you do.

Speaker 3 13:10

There's a lot of little like misnomers and like the dinner and the movie they have like people at a restaurant.

Speaker 4 13:15

It's cool, yeah, now and the cool thing about these, some of these sound effects, is they're all organic. You couldn't like roll a track and Later on tape paste it onto another track, right, you had to actually play the tracks and then if you wanted to hit a bottle or something, you had to hit it and do it live and record it live and throw it on the track. So it's kind of like rudimentary sound effect, right.

Speaker 3 13:35

Well, so we break a bottle Well before we sink our teeth into this. Let's any other. Uh, remaining thoughts.

Speaker 4 13:44

I am not an anti-dentist. You're a Robin anti-dentist.

Speaker 1 13:49

Okay.

Speaker 2 13:50

Yeah, we're gonna be swearing a little bit.

Speaker 1 13:52

Man.

Speaker 3 13:54

Always starts with a few jokes and some slurs. Hey, genti. Hey, let's get our teeth into this meat here right, yeah.

Speaker 2 14:22

Far away, in another place A fading beauty named Millie Grace.

Speaker 3 14:27

Millie Grace. This is the character, Central character here.

Speaker 1 14:32

And he's digging it right. Is that sort of yes?

Speaker 3 14:34

Fee is another character. Yeah yeah, it's got some Buddhist quality here.

Speaker 2 14:54

Oh.

Speaker 3 15:01

Flirting with death.

Speaker 1 15:12

I got a little ahead of things. I'm sorry. Yeah, we're not supposed to know about that. Yeah, but he's, yeah, he's gonna start macking on.

Speaker 3 15:20

Millie, millie macking.

Speaker 2 15:22

I ordered coffee.

Speaker 3 15:23

right now We've been here a long fucking time. She's only filled my cup three times.

Speaker 1 15:26

I mean when I order coffee. I want to fill six times.

Speaker 3 15:29

There was money enough to understand Sorry page. Sorry, no, it's okay.

Speaker 1 15:36

You can always. Yeah, you know. He met Millie in a bar in Peru.

Speaker 4 15:45

Yeah, meanwhile, this is where every deadhead just turned off, Exactly right. Do you see what I'm getting out here?

Speaker 2 15:51

Yes.

Speaker 4 15:53

Now, granted, this is my kids favorite song, and they've seen 24 shows, that's awesome. So now this has become one of my favorite songs. It's quirky.

Speaker 3 16:01

It's.

Speaker 4 16:03

I will not.

Speaker 1 16:06

Yeah. Do you see more and more kids at shows now?

Speaker 4 16:08

Yeah, yeah, people are older guys.

Speaker 1 16:10

I guess they're bringing them kids so.

Speaker 4 16:11

Madison Square Garden. Maybe not so much. I bring my kids to Madison Square Garden because I'm insane, but yeah kids, aka chimpanzees.

Speaker 3 16:20

Yeah, caffeine is a another drug that the the fish community likes to ingest. My caffeine consumption is Roo the roof, jerry.

Speaker 1 16:49

Is it the? Is it the Goliath that I can't believe you guys are picking this apart.

Speaker 4 16:54

I thought this was just verbal knowledge or the oracle, not just nonsense. But this is great.

Speaker 1 16:59

Yeah, no, I mean I'm just yeah, I'm interested the storyline with this.

Speaker 3 17:02

I mean, yeah, there is little storylines. I, Not all the albums we cover have storylines. They're just generic ass lyrics.

Speaker 1 17:12

Yeah no, no, they're down in Peru. He's hitting on Millie and Floyd is Trace got his microphone, he's hers.

Speaker 3 17:23

Yeah, megaphone. That's what I meant. It's another round of shit. Yeah, glad I'm not the sound guy. We've got a chimpanzee in the reporting studio. Okay, also, what is this? The?

Speaker 1 17:42

Yeah, yeah, scrape it up against like a ridge.

Speaker 4 17:45

That's the. Yeah, that's a. I forgot what that's called the spoons a spoon board. You're talking about the thereof thing that yes, yeah, yeah, the theremin. Yes, thank you.

Speaker 3 17:54

Okay.

Speaker 1 17:56

That about a Nash really calling a washboard or something. It's pretty become the same. You're talking about two different instruments. Once again, back to my point.

Speaker 4 18:02

They're playing every stupid thing that's in.

Speaker 3 18:05

Yeah, it's like uh, you know, pet sounds from like beach boys.

Speaker 1 18:14

Yeah, it's very many.

Speaker 2 18:21

Tete.

Speaker 1 18:23

You can milk, you can make a. You can milk a cat. Oh yeah, you can milk anything with nipples. So have a double coffee and get your way.

Speaker 3 18:33

I have nipples, greg could you milk me? Yeah, I wonder how many fish fans are lactose intolerant.

Speaker 4 18:45

Yeah, uh, that is the square garden for me.

Speaker 3 18:53

See that moves, that I love that. It's a spoons.

Speaker 1 19:00

That thing on the Beverly Hillbillies is just kind of like right, that's a washboard, right where they get like this.

Speaker 4 19:04

This is like it looks like a fish and you play it with a wooden mallet.

Speaker 3 19:07

Okay, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

Speaker 1 19:09

Well, yeah, the mallet is wooden, but the scraping thing is like, isn't it with metal?

Speaker 3 19:14

No, it's like two little metal things.

Speaker 1 19:16

Okay, I think, yeah, all right, so this is. This song is is powerful. Yeah, it is bad grammar and all.

Speaker 3 19:31

I uh, was gonna learn this one for the podcast but I got arthritis real quick and then stopped and thought we'll just do a silly vocal jam instead. Okay, here we go. Trey's fucking hands are meat hooks Like my hands are tiny. First all, and it's just I can't stretch up and down the neck like because in high school I did. They had all these songs and you could print them out, and I printed all these songs down and play them like religiously and I did try to learn this one but I couldn't you can't the length of your fingers and to bar a certain fret for so long.

Speaker 3 20:09

He's like the rocky of guitarists. You worked hard at this stuff, yes.

Speaker 4 20:13

He was regimented about learning this, which is like, if you're talking like a fish is just like the Grateful Dead. Oh really, they can't play the same thing twice Right? None of them. Right, none of them, whereas this is almost identical. Right, this is like spot on.

Speaker 3 20:26

It's more difficult.

Speaker 1 20:28

Yeah, yeah, just the guitar part, or everything together, everything together.

Speaker 3 20:32

They're, so they're Everything, they're tight. There was, there's no like nobody's shirking their responsibilities, that's for damn sure.

Speaker 4 20:39

It's part of the appeal. Now, Brandon, this, this Yem is much slower than a live Yem. You know, they just really wanted to nail it, that's true so they kind of toned it back a little bit. Right, you can't hit this stuff, but meanwhile he said Yem, you enjoy my stuff.

Speaker 1 20:54

That's the acronym. Yes, the LAPR.

Speaker 3 20:56

So they yes, you'll see those bumper stickers out there next to OBX or whatever. Yeah, yem is the best beach. You've never been to Yacht electrical machinery. Yeah, there we go. There's a business around here.

Speaker 4 21:12

I once saw Trey pulling this off from a dangling 60 feet in the air in a platform that was slanted. While he's on his knees while it's slinging and he's the only one up there and he's trying to pull off this song and you can see him like I was close enough to see his face. His face needed to be over. He was like hanging on, just not happy, stressed Wow. Happy. It was so scary I actually had to face the other way Like I was shunning someone.

Speaker 3 21:34

Was that when we got caught up there?

Speaker 4 21:36

Yeah, yeah, I was right there with him, and it was. I was one of the first people to realize that there was trouble, because he went like the, he jerked, and then I saw his face and I saw him look down and my friends are like, oh, this is part of it. I go no, no, no, he's not moving anymore, he's stuck.

Speaker 1 21:50

Oh, Is this a? I mean, is this like a well known incident?

Speaker 2 21:54

Oh yes.

Speaker 3 21:56

Like Madden Square Garden New Year's Eve show. They all do these crazy, every year's different, but this one was the suspended platform.

Speaker 4 22:06

Suspended on a platform and being able to raise and lower each platform individually or in a combination with each band member. Each band member, and under each one of them, had a you know 30 clones of themselves. Yeah, identical looking. Yeah, just like the band. But this was the Yem was the song where they needed to hit the ground, because it was hard to do, but Tray still stuck up there Right, so the choreography was messed up.

Speaker 3 22:30

Oh, because they're coming off the platform. So then go on the trampoline. How trippy is that? Yeah Well, Tray's still up there.

Speaker 1 22:37

How long did it take for me to get back down?

Speaker 4 22:39

It was. The show ended and it was like another 15, 20 minutes and nobody left. We wanted to see how this was going to end. We wanted to make sure house lights are on and it's us Tray and a rescue squad trying to get them. We wanted to go up on one, get them, unhook them, bring them and then bring them down.

Speaker 4 22:55

Oh my gosh and it was all the lights on. It was one of the cooler moments because we were all still just sitting there. Madison Square Garden said we want to see this through, so the entire crowd stayed. We all stayed. The lights went totally on and fished the band. The rest of the members left and they're like see a Tray and they all left.

Speaker 2 23:11

Oh, my God.

Speaker 4 23:12

And it was great because he was just sitting there and the lights came on. He's like so shows over folks.

Speaker 1 23:17

That's so awkward, yeah, you had like a headset on so you could still talk to everybody. Oh, you had a microphone.

Speaker 4 23:23

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. He flipped to the monitors and talked to the monitors. Oh, he's getting me down, is what he was saying.

Speaker 1 23:30

This is a great part of the song. It's three and a half to four and a half. Oh.

Speaker 3 23:34

Yeah, no, I'm glad you brought that up, because this is where the white lights come on, this is where Corota, just everybody's just cheering. You know, all your stupid mundane worries go out the window when you hear this, who knows, to this? Part, the crescendo. Back to the scary, back to the crescendo move is.

Speaker 4 23:55

And you all know it's coming. And now there's a theory about how white people enjoy music. Some people enjoy music because they anticipate what's coming. You know what's coming, you kind of think about it. So the first notes are yeah. I start thinking oh, here comes this part. Yeah, eight minutes down the road, but I'm waiting for it.

Speaker 3 24:09

This is the best part.

Speaker 4 24:10

Yeah, which makes me hate new music. People say you should listen to this band. I go. I can't stand it.

Speaker 3 24:16

Right Because you don't know what's coming up. Right the more familiar it gets, the better.

Speaker 4 24:20

It is always Right Because you're a fish fan Real musicians really spice that they want to be pushed to a different envelope, to a different space.

Speaker 3 24:34

Well that's another conversation about our whole bandwidth as individuals. I hate to turn bandwidth, but you know what I mean. Yep, not judging I am.

Speaker 1 24:46

Fair yeah, I mean there's like tension in the room now just with the music and it's just kind of like oh oh.

Speaker 3 25:00

Oh, and where we're at.

Speaker 1 25:04

Man. Okay, so it was a boy to man.

Speaker 3 25:10

You basically go from being a boy to a man after your first fish show. So, chris, hurry up. Okay, no, just kidding.

Speaker 1 25:17

Okay, well, that was God. I go from boy to man to God.

Speaker 3 25:21

We all are boy man gods all at the same time.

Speaker 1 25:23

I did not know that, oh sorry, that was my man, he had to pause on that.

Speaker 3 25:28

I did, I didn't think about it, shit. And then we go back to shit.

Speaker 1 25:34

Is that the circle of life?

Speaker 3 25:35

Go back to paramecium. Yeah, kind of is actually.

Speaker 1 25:44

For that whole boy man. God shit thing is is whatever you wanted to mean.

Speaker 4 25:49

It's meaningless, it's got, it's completely mean. Hopefully you got me on this one too.

Speaker 3 25:54

Oh no, I like to read meaning in this stuff.

Speaker 4 25:58

Because this is total great cow funk.

Speaker 3 26:02

This is. This is cow funk, yeah, yeah. I can put away my my slam poem binder. I used to jot little lyrics of my own for my own songs during fish shows. Take that with what you will.

Speaker 1 26:18

Well, it's just disappointing to me that this is all just nonsense, not nonsense it's great stuff.

Speaker 3 26:27

And sense of cool to, or just like the words I want most.

Speaker 1 26:31

I was hoping it's going to be some.

Speaker 2 26:35

You guys, like I heard something deep.

Speaker 4 26:37

I was listening to you guys take apart dire wolf. I'm like you're right. You know, hit the mythology behind a dire wolf Hunter meant all of it. And then some, he liked dual meetings. This doesn't go that deep.

Speaker 1 26:48

No, yeah.

Speaker 3 26:52

But the whole composition took you on a, an ethereal. Yeah, all that shit is fucking bullshit, right? Yeah, you know that Zen ethereal and using those, lyrics and using the words like instruments. Yes, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 27:06

Yeah, yes, Forget the words, the tone, the rhythm that they're coming in at that's.

Speaker 3 27:11

that's the meat right there yeah, singing and playing Trace, just pissing in all of her ears enjoying it.

Speaker 1 27:21

Yeah, no.

Speaker 2 27:25

Check that out.

Speaker 1 27:29

The key board is his name page, page McConnell page.

Speaker 3 27:33

McConnell page side rage, side baby page side rage side chairman of the boards chairman of the boards.

Speaker 1 27:39

Yeah, what is Trace? He's got one too. The red rocket yeah, okay, and I think is one too.

Speaker 3 27:52

John Fishman is fish and then Mike Gordon is cactus.

Speaker 4 27:56

Yeah, John Fishman is also Bob Weaver.

Speaker 3 27:58

Bob Weaver Okay.

Speaker 4 28:00

Yeah, or.

Speaker 3 28:00

Henrietta, henrietta, there's one more. We're missing Leo for page. There you go. What is that? What's the origin of that?

Speaker 4 28:12

Usually yellow string. Play it Leo. Play it Leo for.

Speaker 3 28:14

NICU yeah, oh, they're doing it. This is great. My feet are so clean for this. I cleaned my feet for this.

Speaker 1 28:27

Sorry, clean your feet. You want to talk about that yeah.

Speaker 3 28:36

Just put a little Dr Bronners on a rag. Just clean your feet. Yeah yeah, lukewarm, lukewarm water, little salt, little Epsom Definitely these callous yeah.

Speaker 1 28:55

So this is the part what are?

Speaker 2 29:01

you going to blast off.

Speaker 4 29:03

Doubt of track four Shoo Buckles and snaps. All right, so that's you enjoy myself when I'm with you. You enjoy myself. That was the broken English of the guy they were hanging out with.

Speaker 2 29:14

What.

Speaker 4 29:15

They were partying with a guy in Italy and they were having a fun time and he goes. You know, this is when I'm with you. You enjoy myself. Trey goes, uh-huh.

Speaker 3 29:22

See, he's got a notepad.

Speaker 4 29:25

That's why I love this one Lyric.

Speaker 2 29:27

This is Trey's best lyrical song.

Speaker 1 29:29

Oh wow, shout out to Artie Freshman year. Roommate art Nice.

Speaker 3 29:38

Shout out to Armenian men.

Speaker 1 29:40

He was Armenian. He is Armenian. Can you go from Armenian to non-Armenian? You're always once. You're Armenian, you're always Armenian. Oh yeah, it's not that.

Speaker 3 29:52

No, there's nothing wrong. I'm just saying, yeah, are you being mean to Armenians? I'm being Armenian.

Speaker 1 29:58

I'm being Armenian, putting the mean. I think it's like we need to put the mean back in Armenian. That's a great bumper.

Speaker 2 30:08

So interesting to think about this.

Speaker 4 30:09

This is his first time through. This is one in time through he just was sitting there like this Like he had written this and was just going straight. Wow, that's why you hear it.

Speaker 2 30:20

She's innocent clean.

Speaker 1 30:22

He's just reading yeah, she goes to a church. The Armenian man gives her the doll. She's like, oh, this is great.

Speaker 3 30:31

And then she runs the church and everybody sees this doll, which is like a relic of the past. It's something. It's bad. It's got like bad juju or something.

Speaker 1 30:45

I think that's what the organ is trying to tell us.

Speaker 4 30:48

Switched into. But yeah, now it's all sweet, but now it goes to more ethereal.

Speaker 2 30:56

Yeah.

Speaker 4 30:58

It's a riot. See now, if a grateful deadhead could get to this point in the song, they'd be good, but that beginning stuff, they're gone.

Speaker 3 31:05

Yeah, yeah, they're the urinal.

Speaker 1 31:09

The urinal song. No wonder, how many young girl esters are there? Not many, no, it did ester become a popular name for fish fans Naming their daughters, or anything?

Speaker 3 31:23

like that, maybe Eliza Okay.

Speaker 1 31:28

Or Lee, who maybe from the other album.

Speaker 2 31:31

Yeah.

Speaker 3 31:34

Henrietta, jennifer, jennifer dances oh.

Speaker 1 31:40

Yeah, that died in the 70s. Nobody named their Jennifer was like. Jennifer in the 80s was like the Linda of the 60s, that kind of thing. All right, I need to sit. The next couple plays out. I basically offended like four different names in like 20 seconds.

Speaker 4 32:01

Yeah, I know, I think I'm on. This was the song that almost never was. By the way, he was gonna give up on this song.

Speaker 3 32:07

I can see why it's very intricate and weird. I think it just wasn't gonna work. Here's the cloudy part. This is the sort of the end of Willy Wonka Almost.

Speaker 4 32:24

Yeah, we're just up in the clouds. See, this is the stuff I love too. This is eyes closed, hands up.

Fish, Cereal, and New York City

Speaker 3 32:29

No, I love this. This is like church right here. This shit is church, shout out to the American Girl Doll owners, you know, coming here brushing your little dolls hair while listening to us Shout out, we're kind of chiseled.

Speaker 1 32:52

Which is exactly what I'm picturing our listeners to be doing as we're doing, at least the cereal killers.

Speaker 3 33:01

Yeah, exactly, shout out, shout out to the cereal eaters. How about that? Yeah, cereal eaters. Yeah, you know they have cereal here. Ma I filled up a suitcase with all your favorite cereals, ma, you know they have cereal here.

Speaker 1 33:19

She's eating cereal for dinner. Wasn't that Janine Garofalo? Wasn't she like Jerry's girlfriend? In one of those episodes? He fell in love with himself and she was like because they were eating cereal as a meal. And then, like, a week later, she does it again like a dinner. She's like another bowl of cereal.

Speaker 3 33:39

Even he. I hate myself. Yeah, peter Pan's syndrome looks only good to a point. Exactly, we eat cereal three times a day. We need to talk. Yeah, if it's homemade cereal two times a day is okay, we got it all.

Speaker 4 34:01

Something else we got in this I had to make sure there's people listening that are in the 300s at this point. So we're gonna get fact checked At least I am. I'm dragging you to New Year's Eve or Madison Square Garden for this run so that you can get yelled at. Because I'm not gonna get yelled at, I know I'll take the heat.

Speaker 3 34:18

I'm a newbie. I'm a greenhorn.

Speaker 1 34:20

Have you ever seen them? How many times have you seen them at Madison Square Garden?

Speaker 3 34:23

At Madison Square Garden. Maybe like 11? Really Wow, no Over the years. Yeah, maybe like seven.

Speaker 4 34:33

There truly is nowhere else to see fish. I know people like open space and sky and fresh air, but forget that nonsense.

Speaker 3 34:42

It's got some good gunk on the walls kicked up. Yeah no.

Speaker 1 34:45

That's the way I would like to see them in a smelly ratty Madison Square Garden. You touch the wall. You immediately.

Speaker 3 34:53

I need it. Stuff's sill in there Absorbs off into your skin, into your bloodstream.

Speaker 1 34:59

Yeah, Take an epi-pen with me or something.

Speaker 4 35:04

No, it's pretty clean, it's a nice, I'm not a top.

Speaker 1 35:09

I don't know Medical terms.

Speaker 2 35:10

I don't know anything.

Speaker 3 35:15

So where are we at with Esther here To succumb to a little of the crowd?

Speaker 1 35:21

Yeah, she's being chased by a hoodlum, she's got the doll and it's like her life is going to shit.

Speaker 3 35:26

Yeah, the doll has brought like a world of pain, sort of like Lord of the Rings, like the ring is just like making people go crazy. Esther, the doll's kind of doing that.

Speaker 2 35:36

I'm at Madison.

Speaker 3 35:38

Square.

Speaker 2 35:38

Garden.

Speaker 4 35:42

The last time I heard the song I'm at Madison Square Garden. I was with Tray's dad. He was on the other side of the gate with me. We both kind of had a look like Not my favorite.

Speaker 2 35:53

But he never misses a show there.

Speaker 3 35:55

Really.

Speaker 4 35:55

Yeah, pretty cool Shout out to the joggers. Yep.

Speaker 1 36:01

Keep your eyes up.

Speaker 4 36:02

Keep going.

Speaker 3 36:04

I can see Tray jogging in.

Speaker 2 36:07

What is?

Speaker 3 36:07

it. It's the New York City Park, central Park, central Park, like every day. Does he really? I think he runs, he was running every day in Central Park.

Speaker 4 36:18

Yeah, no one's going to recognize him.

Speaker 3 36:19

The old fish fans don't even say hi because they're like oh hi. It's like they just want to be cool and cool and like.

Speaker 4 36:26

Guilty, totally guilty, but they're still stars.

Speaker 3 36:28

He's running also. How do you? That's kind of rude. It's like hey, I want to take a picture with you.

Speaker 4 36:38

I'm not that type of fan Howard Stern fans. I guess he has trouble running through the park. Yeah, because he runs every day. That's like guy. He's huge though, too. Right, right, oh gosh Well.

Speaker 1 36:52

Tray has a unique look you saw, like Fishman or the bass player I forgot they have Mike Gordon. They seem like regular guys. They're like people like you.

Speaker 3 37:03

Didn't Howard Stern do the little like thing where you put the amp under the ladies and then like in the yeah. Well, hey, do it for Page. Right now, ladies, and this is perfect, perfect time to really just.

Speaker 1 37:20

I'm going to let you sit with those words for a little bit.

Speaker 3 37:22

I'm going to sit the next couple of plays out here.

Speaker 1 37:24

And he said that couple of plays out, I'm taking over. Yeah, so you know you're saying about. This is one of the best parts of the song. It's very emotive. Is she supposed to be underwater or something like that? She's underwater. She's underwatering now and the dial like as it comes to life, it's going nuts and it's pulling her To the bottom. Down in the bottom Right.

Speaker 2 37:50

Is that?

Speaker 4 37:54

I'm just thinking that this sounds like the bonus round of Super Mario Brothers 2.

Speaker 1 37:58

Yes, when did that come out? Like is that in the 80s? These guys ripped it. They rip off a lot of things, Isn't his mom like in? Like Sesame Street? It's very Sesame Street-ish.

Speaker 3 38:15

Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 38:17

Well, trey was raised in the city of Broadway, so it's very heavily influenced with Broadway musicals. So, yes, so you do get a lot of this Anthem.

Speaker 1 38:27

Rock and peanuts too. I mean, that's a Fishman thing, right? I think it might be a.

Speaker 4 38:34

Yeah, I think Fishman might be more of the peanut butter. My friend makes really good peanut butter and he was able to get some of the Fishman and Fishman was blown away by the peanut butter. So that must have been, I think, fishman's, the peanut butter guy.

Speaker 3 38:46

Yeah.

Speaker 1 38:47

Well, I was also thinking about like the, like the piano playing from. Like the, like Charlie Brown, like those.

Speaker 4 38:59

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 39:08

All right, we're on the goal. Yeah, I'm back.

Speaker 1 39:11

Yeah, like we're going off the rails.

Speaker 3 39:14

This is the goofy chromatic Some biology class shit going on here.

Speaker 1 39:20

Yeah, well, dave is this yeah.

Speaker 4 39:24

So what's a goal? Yeah, I believe it's a cellular apparatus that Dang it. I don't know what the goal he does. I know what a ribosome does. I don't know what a lysis zone does. I don't know what a goal he does. Mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell right and it holds a little DNA there, would you?

Speaker 3 39:42

learn that man, that's just like a funny house rocking shit.

Speaker 4 39:45

Do you have to explain to people what his ticket stub is Is? This is a critical piece of information. Do people know what ticket stubs are to?

Fish's Songs and Live Performances

Speaker 3 39:52

see, I love that. Yeah, I mean, now it's all digital, it's all like yeah, you just hold your phone up. No, my, my friends still have a little like Ticket, you know collages of all their fissures in their downstairs bathroom. Why isn't in the upstairs bathroom Robbie and Allison? Nice, but I like listening to some.

Speaker 1 40:18

I don't want to listen to the whole thing. We gotta cut some of this out.

Speaker 4 40:22

Well, unfortunately, because one of the things that we have to listen to it, but it's instrumental break during this song. It's, it's thick fish, this is fish. It's like one of those things where, like if you were to pick two minutes, play me two minutes. Yeah, that's fish. That instrumental break is.

Speaker 3 40:37

Okay, yeah, they do the chromatic Up and down, but this no, you can cue into it.

Speaker 1 40:48

To be honest with you, this is I Don't like that. I saw you. We can't. Just doesn't hit the ear right there.

Speaker 3 40:55

But yeah, maybe because they're not the best at singing. Yeah, not the best singers at this point at this point they got better.

Speaker 1 41:04

Right, okay, fair enough.

Speaker 3 41:06

I'm just trying to think I this, sir, this is starting to Sink in this song for me as well, but this also sounds a little bit like that that divided sky will hear later a little bit. Just keep that in your back pocket listeners.

Speaker 1 41:24

Yeah, the.

Speaker 4 41:26

Symmetry between this part of this song you can see the heavy influence of Broadway. You know just brought to the show tunes, you know Not this.

Speaker 3 41:34

That's interesting. Why show tune, show tunes and fish fans? It's Kind of a nominal, an anomaly.

Speaker 1 41:43

but yeah, show tunes. Yeah, they're very difficult to weave into rock.

Speaker 3 41:51

That last part could have been like a cheers like Like this guy walks into the bar, do-do-do-do-do-do, I'll take my regular or usual, I don't know. I'm seeing something here Tension release, build up Scattered piano playing.

Speaker 4 42:21

Christian, no rocket, it's finest I.

Speaker 1 42:38

Don't think they don't play this very often, live today not anymore.

Speaker 4 42:42

I have heard it recently. Oh really, and that's what maybe think. No one's got ticket stubs in their hands anymore. I was looking out in the crowd, but everybody still really enjoyed it, thanks a lot ticket master.

Speaker 1 42:53

Are there any songs on this album that they don't play live or in freak, or they?

Speaker 4 43:00

play live frequently dinner in a movie. I don't think you get a lot of dinner movies. Okay, good to know. But Goldie foam, you know you don't get a ton of those. Yeah, fluff had you get a good amount.

Speaker 3 43:14

Yeah yeah, with the fluff travels. Yeah do they ever play for just fluff head and not the travels?

Speaker 4 43:23

No, I don't think so. The travels is the I didn't think so.

Speaker 1 43:27

That's a sweet spot for me, I know is it really yeah? No, it is, that's surprising.

Speaker 4 43:35

Yeah, I have time about the song and this has got to be one of the most complicated pieces on the album. I mean, this is it's so discordant and so hard and I didn't love this song until like two years ago, and now I'm a absolute Lovering mess when they play it. I love it, wow, love it so much.

Speaker 3 43:56

It's got that weird elevator jazz. Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole appeal.

Speaker 4 44:05

Like my wife says, annoying. This is annoying, but man, when they start getting back into the, when they start nailing it back into the other groove, it is just like just thunder. So much good such a good song.

Speaker 1 44:22

How many shows is she been to my wife?

Speaker 4 44:24

Yeah, if you add up, all the half shows that she's walked out of being like I'm gonna wait for you at the hotel. Oh, three, four, ah, okay, so I've tried. And then the last one she went to, goes, she goes. This is the last one I'm going to.

Speaker 2 44:40

So yes.

Speaker 4 44:41

I'm on the site. My wife hits fish on Facebook.

Speaker 3 44:46

I took the girlfriend and she liked it.

Speaker 1 44:49

Yes, Caroline.

Speaker 3 44:50

She likes it. I mean, it was a lot also a big party and she got to see like so many friends and it was like a reunion and all these different Groups of people. And you turn around and there's another friend and it was at Mary, whether it was her home Turf. So it was like boom, everybody's there, everybody's hanging out. Yeah, this is sort of back.

Speaker 1 45:10

It can be background.

Speaker 3 45:12

Yeah, she barely paid attention to show, but she loved it. I'm not gonna be like that guy pushing her like no, you got to see what happens in the movie. Yeah, guys are so say, is this guy? No no, just kidding now, but your point, you know it.

Speaker 4 45:32

My wife would be like I think we're ready to go and I think the kids are ready to go, we're all ready to go. And then they turn around and they realize me and the kids are Raging yeah she's like this is just me. Yeah, oh, kids came around. Oh, kids are on. Oh, yeah, they're on board.

Speaker 3 45:46

They have hook line and sinker.

Speaker 1 45:47

That that's a good point it's good in a way. They're good musicians, it's, it's in their way. It's sort of a good example. It's like a it's a good Into music. It's a good thing, if anything.

Speaker 3 46:04

It's so anti-establishment. It's a great lesson. You do it off off the whole record of mainstream media. It just doesn't exist to them.

Speaker 4 46:14

Yet there's, they sell out and they're the best live band and it's tight, yeah, I get a little slower, but and I'm still waiting for a new year's eve gag to fill Madison Square Garden with foam oh, a lot of my firefighter friends said that would be totally dangerous. You just can't do it. Yeah, yeah, I'm holding out, though they're gonna fill it with foam.

Speaker 3 46:35

Get some of those Johnson and Johnson shampoos. Shout out to the European toxicity lawsuits. The same companies that own Shampoo is now own the same products that regrow your hair. Okay Into Well, also the next one out, no please do not.

Speaker 1 46:58

You need to.

Speaker 3 47:00

You're in for the rest of the game, no, but the first half of the song is a collaboration, with Paige and Shreya doing their thing. Now this is we've hit the second part here and you can notice it's just Paige, and then when Trey comes in, it's like they vibe again. Yeah, it's delicate, it is, and Paige had to fight to get in the band. Right, there was another guitarist, right.

Speaker 4 47:28

Yeah, I believe so.

Speaker 3 47:29

Yeah right.

Speaker 1 47:29

Yeah, the original P member.

Speaker 4 47:31

Yeah, yeah, yeah but they did hang out in one of that guy's songs, man camel walk.

Speaker 3 47:38

Okay, great song yeah.

Speaker 4 47:40

Whatever happened that guy? He just asked that guy, he's okay I think it's okay. He's not Pete Best Okay it's a flourishing life.

Speaker 3 47:50

That's good. He was never gonna be as good as Trey and yeah it was that way you left.

Speaker 4 47:56

I think it was more like what the hell is this stuff?

Speaker 3 48:00

Ah, yeah, didn't have the patience for it.

Speaker 4 48:02

If you listen to this song you're like, yeah, this isn't for me. How you guys this, I'm out of here. It's tedious.

Speaker 3 48:07

It's super tedious, I mean yeah.

Speaker 4 48:11

Record this. All I can hear. All I can hear in my head right now is thinking what's coming in? Like a minute when they go right back into it and, yeah, I'm losing it at that point.

Speaker 3 48:20

Yeah.

Speaker 4 48:21

Headbanging. I'm like throwing it. It's just great. So I sit through this. But you these anticipatory nature of this song.

Speaker 3 48:28

As you know, it's gonna take right back up and it's worth mentioning that discordant backwards drumming that fishman learned he would in college, right, you'd sleep on a pile of clothes, right Dirty or clean, and then you'd like wake up at 4 am, take Some acid and then wake up like three hours later like ready, just like raging, and then he would learn different drumming techniques that way to rewire his brain sort of and Reverent, like reverse drumming almost.

Speaker 4 49:06

Yeah, right back into it. And this is where Gordo puts in the hole. Great singers he's looking through, and it all would be so ridiculous, and that's what's good about it.

Speaker 1 49:27

We're had the words for the. I want to know what he's saying.

Speaker 3 49:30

I can't follow the foam is getting thicker.

Speaker 1 49:36

Okay, the phone keeps getting thicker, keeps getting harder, thicker and harder.

Speaker 3 49:46

Oh foam well oh. The rounds. Now we have the loony tune send off here Warner Brothers, or loony Warner Brothers, like that's all folks, although that's not.

Speaker 1 50:16

That's kind of show to any, alright fantastic.

Speaker 4 50:20

Fantastic.

Speaker 1 50:23

This is dinner movie talked about. They don't play very much anymore live.

Speaker 4 50:29

Amazing guitar worker, this one. This is sick guitar work.

Speaker 3 50:35

It's frenetic.

Speaker 4 50:40

I think I've heard one. I could actually check my internet, but I think I've heard one.

Speaker 3 50:47

I have to go return some video tapes.

Speaker 1 51:01

Who else sings nice tray?

Speaker 2 51:09

Here it's a three of them in life everybody.

Speaker 1 51:12

Yeah is that usually how it the the harmonies go, or yeah?

Speaker 3 51:17

fish things. Fish will cover certain parts of songs. You like his songs, right, or was it you? Yeah?

Speaker 4 51:22

no, I like his voice.

Speaker 1 51:23

He likes, I love his voice.

Speaker 4 51:24

Yeah, he said, especially the more of a recent album he and Trey do like a little duet Floors you every time.

Speaker 3 51:31

Oh yes.

Speaker 4 51:34

Shade.

Speaker 3 51:45

Insert sleazy dinner pickup line here. That's a direct way to pick up a chick.

Speaker 1 51:52

Do people still go to Dinner in a movie as a for a day? Do they have?

Speaker 3 51:56

ticket stops when they go further. Question yeah for the movie.

Speaker 1 52:03

They don't do ticket stops anymore.

Speaker 3 52:04

I'll just scan it. Yeah, you gotta do the phone thing Scan on your phone or making them like afterwards.

Speaker 4 52:10

If you want to buy them, some little design of you can order them and get your Ticket stuff for that runny, but it's not a real ticket stuff really like I want sweat and hot all over it and like Crank yeah, I like that's a butter stain on it Set in resin somewhere, I care. I don't know if I've ever seen dinner in a movie.

Speaker 3 52:29

In one night. That's a long night.

Speaker 4 52:31

I Wasn't paying attention for the first half anyways.

Speaker 3 52:34

It's a little four course French meal and then a little Ben her, you're, that's clearly. Oh yeah, you're the whole day out dinner in movies all day and you're here. Yes, this is it. I love this. The little knives clinking. It would drive Brian Wilson insane to be in the recording studio with them. Well they're different people. He, oh man, I think I went insane during the triple tweezer show. What was it?

Speaker 4 53:15

Yeah.

Speaker 3 53:17

Tweezer fest, yes, and merry weather.

Speaker 1 53:28

Very Shout out to this. Who should we shout out?

Speaker 3 53:35

to. If he was seeing this in Portuguese, it'd be Antonio Yocabin, right here.

Speaker 1 53:41

So let's shout out to all the Antonio's out there Antonio shout out to you.

Speaker 4 53:47

So you get that nice fluffy fish. And then I went right back into evil fish. It seems like you really want to run to dinner and see a movie. Yeah, yes.

Speaker 3 53:56

I Needed that. Christian Bale returning some video.

Speaker 4 54:03

Next time? Oh, one of my favorites, yeah.

Speaker 3 54:12

Yeah, when I was doing my notes for this, my six-month old puppy was grabbing a mitten or a glove and just Just going zoomies around the apartment for this song and it was very apt and I'm fitting.

Speaker 1 54:30

If I were to be doing the same thing she's shooting the gap, you know this is like chalk full of fish lore.

Speaker 4 54:35

I mean it's got so much fish symbolism from game and just other being written at the rhombus or parts of it, like it's just amazing. It's just amazing. Yeah, the divided sky which are a mirror when you do see divided sky.

Speaker 3 54:48

yet it's probably about to get really windy and stormy when everybody has their lighter up at the Moment of silence. Other fish church moment yeah yeah, sponsored by the mockingbird foundation.

Speaker 4 55:08

It's a lizard.

Speaker 1 55:13

We should have done this one. In the beginning they put it on this in order.

Speaker 4 55:19

It's meant to be here. Listen to everything. They're playing everything in the studio right now, anything you can find.

Speaker 3 55:31

Are they overdubbing the drums, though there's got to be two drums. How is that one person on drums right now?

Speaker 1 55:39

I think yeah, I can hear They've overdubbed some.

Speaker 4 55:41

That's not a drum. I think they're playing like basically a tin can.

Speaker 3 55:46

We have this expensive machine here. No tin can it is.

Speaker 1 55:52

Well tin can plus the really expensive stuff. I think that was the playfulness of it, it kind of comes through.

Speaker 4 56:04

It's funny because I've been chasing a divided sky. If I'm chasing any song that they play a lot, I haven't heard a divided sky in years.

Speaker 3 56:11

Really.

Speaker 4 56:13

I haven't remembered a divided sky in years. Yeah, this is it. I think it's just. It doesn't maybe not work in Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 3 56:20

I've seen one in Madison Square Garden.

Speaker 1 56:23

They don't play this very often no, they do, I just miss it.

Speaker 4 56:27

Huh.

Speaker 3 56:28

This is some of the best crescendo fish right here.

Speaker 1 56:33

So when you go into a show, you're not sure what they're going to play. They shuffle it up like every show.

Speaker 4 56:42

Every show, a four night run or a seven night run at one place, kind of get an idea of what's going to happen.

Speaker 3 56:49

They won't repeat any of those songs if it's the same place, like they did Baker's Dozen at Madison Square Garden. They didn't do any repeat songs and they played how many songs.

Speaker 4 57:01

Songs, I'm not sure. 13 shows, though, right, yeah, and now that's kind of. When they do like a four night run, same thing goes. They'll do that. Or like the seven nights at Madison Square in the summer. I don't think they're repeating it.

Speaker 3 57:17

I don't know, man. This is astounding. Like they're also the best cover band of all time as well, because every Halloween costume and then those songs become part of their repertoire from mastering them years ago for a Halloween show. Man, there's a lot going on with these guys.

Speaker 1 57:39

Yeah, a lot of history and the same lineup, relatively speaking, aside from the guy next to them.

Speaker 3 57:47

Nobody knows that one guy. It's that one guy. Sorry, I brought it up.

Speaker 1 57:51

No, I mean it's worth noting. He's already gotten too much of our time as it is.

Speaker 2 57:55

It's like you know, and it's all me, I need to sit in the next couple of places.

Speaker 1 58:00

Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 58:01

Alright. Yeah, this song looks like the inside of my eyelids Because every time they start playing it I shut my eyes and just go away. Yeah, kind of cool.

Speaker 1 58:14

That's beautiful, you know. This kind of reminds me you guys are going to piss off. This reminds me a little bit of Genesis, Like early 70s Genesis, like nursery crime or something. Something that's proggy to me Like this. I can see that Like English proggy.

Speaker 3 58:39

Yeah Well, train did note Genesis as one of his favorites growing up. Oh, yeah, okay, yeah then, this is that's what this is all about. That's good here.

Speaker 4 58:55

Genesis was on the list of songs, that potential Halloween songs. You know that are albums that they were going to do. Really it's always in the mix when they were doing that thing.

Speaker 3 59:08

Will they do it again?

Speaker 4 59:09

I don't think so. I think it takes too much work for one night.

Speaker 3 59:13

So much.

Speaker 4 59:14

It's fun and I think it was fun. Certain things, like waiting for Columbus, I think, change Fishman's drumming from then on out, some of the polyrhythmic stuff that only you hear at Little Feet he carried with him, which is I loved Little Feet, so that was really cool to me. But then cover tunes like some of the who stuff like drowned. I grew up listening to the who. I didn't listen to drowned. I don't know the fish plays. It blows my mind. That's the best cover band on Earth. Yes.

Speaker 3 59:44

And then everybody was going to skip the E center in 94, I believe it was, and that was the day before 1030. And then they pulled the ripcord on Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, which was like, and nobody came. They were a big inside joke, like haha, like I don't know, not everybody was there. Yeah, because it was.

Speaker 4 1:00:13

Utah. Those are the best fish shows, undersold out of nowhere, out from like where the regular tour run. That may take a little effort to get to Right, those end up they bring it. You know what I mean? Yes, they really do bring it. Those shows Like this last Madison Square Garden run in the summer, like the Tuesday and Wednesday shows, were by far the best ones, and meanwhile the weekends were sold out and these were undersold and mistake.

Speaker 1 1:00:41

In the early days, though, didn't they like? They did like festivals, and when they played, like all night, or something like that.

Speaker 4 1:00:47

One New Year's they played through the night.

Speaker 2 1:00:49

yes, but most of them no.

Speaker 4 1:00:50

The festivals are one one-thirty done. And then they'll do like a late night set somewhere.

Speaker 3 1:00:55

Right, Like a surprise late night set oh yes, I didn't like them.

Speaker 4 1:00:58

Then I was in bed.

Speaker 3 1:01:01

I did Magna Ball, okay, and they did a secret shipping container jam that nobody could find. We couldn't find it, but it was there somewhere, the Loring Air Force Base. They did the like, the Tower Jam. They had Tower Jam and they had dancers suspended on cables doing like with that. Shit blew my mind. Look that up on. Look up the Tower Jam.

Speaker 1 1:01:25

Fish on YouTube, listeners Sleeping at that point Sounds cool to see that while this is playing, like we're hearing right now, I love it.

Speaker 3 1:01:34

There's so many cool.

Speaker 4 1:01:40

For all you video game fans out there, this is video game.

Speaker 3 1:01:43

Yeah, this is from Maria Brothers.

Speaker 1 1:01:44

Zelda. Is it in Zelda?

Speaker 3 1:01:46

The Ocarina of.

Speaker 4 1:01:46

Time Fish reminds you to not take life so darn seriously. It's true. You know, live in the moment. Don't worry about what's going to happen, don't worry about what just happened. Just worry about the now. And if you're going to laugh, now is the time. You know, don't take things so heavy, don't be serious.

Speaker 1 1:02:05

It's true, I start calling you Fee the Buddhist prodigy. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, but there's a lot of wisdom in what you just said.

Speaker 3 1:02:19

I know it's true. I'm always everybody's trying to chase the next show. Just enjoy the show you're at. You might not you might be sitting in your office processing paperwork. That's the show, baby. Get on Spotify. Put on the fish albums.

Speaker 4 1:02:39

I'm enjoying this. This is a lot of fun. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 1:02:41

Yeah, this is fun.

Speaker 4 1:02:42

I'm going to yank out teeth tomorrow and I'm not looking forward to it, so I think I'm looking forward to right now.

Speaker 1 1:02:49

Well, I mean to all the anti-dentites out there, you know, hey, listen, we're humanizing the dentist, that's right.

Speaker 4 1:02:56

And listen. If it wasn't for fish, I would have never have dropped out of medical school.

Speaker 2 1:03:02

Oh, it starts with a few jokes and some.

Speaker 4 1:03:06

I'd be a real doctor at this point.

Speaker 1 1:03:10

No, you're a real doctor.

Speaker 3 1:03:12

I'm not on the oh, no dentists are more real doctors than actual doctors in my opinion, and that's because. That's because do we know why let's go down the rabbit hole? No, it's just rock fillers now.

Speaker 2 1:03:35

Well.

Speaker 1 1:03:35

I mean, they do have their own schools.

Speaker 4 1:03:40

Yeah, but we split it with medical schools. Okay, there's a medicine on the other side of the door, but I'm not the only like major fish fan. There's a dentist. My friend Andy Greenberg is a lead guitarist and runaway Jim is a great.

Speaker 3 1:03:54

Runaway Jim really.

Speaker 4 1:03:55

Really great, fantastic fish cover band If you've ever seen our tribute band, or yes, yes, yes, yes, he and I are unicorns like that, and that's how I actually wrote into the realm of finding it. He was on a podcast and I was like, really, this guy up, I never knew there was a dentist like me that likes fish.

Speaker 1 1:04:10

There's a couple of us, but in the medical community, though, I do know a couple of other doctors who are really in the fish as well. I was wondering if there is an intellectual band. Or an occupational predisposition.

Speaker 4 1:04:27

You can take large chunks of time off. I think that's part of the reason why dentists end up, because we can really just take weeks off. Yeah doctors, they got jobs. You know who's running this thing.

Speaker 3 1:04:38

Who's running at this clinic. You can't just leave, but meanwhile my paperwork can wait.

Speaker 1 1:04:44

The hygienists see me do this a million times yeah yeah. They can do the crap.

Speaker 3 1:04:51

This is going to hurt a bit. Yeah, I once lived next to a halfway house in York when I was going to college and one of the guys you shared the abode porch. It was just like you know. We were talking about bands and music and none of my roommates cared about fish or new fish at all. I was the ally. I hated all their music they put on. All the time I tried to put on one fish song, they would freak out and change it and it just always got me pissed. But the next guy next door said oh, you like fish, man, that's cool. Divided Sky is the most beautiful song of all time. And he goes and I don't even like that band and I was like what? So you have people that cue into fish and hold them in at least a song or two in a very high esteem, of course. Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:05:45

Yes, there's a couple of them on this album. I hope spoiler alert, this would be one for me, yeah.

Speaker 4 1:05:52

I'm granted, this is a live. You got to see these guys live. You got to see them live. Yeah, if you really want to feel it, you know what I mean. You really want to feel what it's like. Of course, we're just as part of the band. The fans are just as much a part of the music as the band.

Speaker 3 1:06:05

It's a good point.

Speaker 4 1:06:05

Actually, I'm a photographer and I enjoy taking pictures of the fans more than the band.

Speaker 2 1:06:10

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:06:10

Because watching all those people be so happy, because I'm behind stage and I get to see their faces looking at me After what we've been through God, I just love to get everybody together and like smiling and laughing and having a good time.

Speaker 3 1:06:23

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:06:23

Screw the band, they're rich.

Speaker 3 1:06:24

Shout out to Renee. Renee is the like she didn't see the band, the band photographer or whatever, yeah yeah, he is In-house. Humor or something.

Speaker 4 1:06:36

Yeah, always wearing like black tights.

Speaker 3 1:06:38

Oh, okay.

Speaker 4 1:06:38

Yeah, I'm jealous Everybody. I shouldn't have jealousy thoughts, but every time I see Renee I'm like I want that job.

Speaker 3 1:06:45

Yeah, I'm pretty cool, so good at it too. Yeah, so good at it. And great light shows. You know Trey's got an infectious smile. For sure it's cool.

Speaker 1 1:06:57

Don't think you also have the buttons?

Speaker 3 1:06:59

Oh yeah, they have a button thing, the pin community, the pin community. What's that, the pin community? Well, I followed them on Facebook for a while. I got a little tense when people would send the pins but not the money. Yeah, yeah, yeah, more Okay. But yeah, the pin, like every little lyric has of every little song, has a different pin associated. I mean there's thousands upon thousands, upon thousands of pins, okay, that people make and draw up and then they there's a place where you can go and they can do that.

Speaker 3 1:07:32

You send out for them. Yeah, yeah, and it's pretty interesting, were you?

Speaker 4 1:07:37

aware of that. I collect pins. I did, for I'm a collector. I collect all kinds of random stuff and I can't seem to do anything with the pins, and so I stopped. I got it. I've gone to posters, prints, shows. That's my. If I have to obsess about it, that's it. Yeah, yeah, I want to put it on my hat, but I don't like the feeling of those things hitting my head. Exactly, yes, I can't get into the pin. I have some great frigging pins, man, I'm not gonna do it over here they hit your head, weird yeah.

Speaker 4 1:08:03

I use some lapel pins. I'll show up at weddings and stuff.

Speaker 3 1:08:06

Yes, maybe and stuff and like have a.

Speaker 4 1:08:08

They're like what the heck is that? I'm like you wouldn't understand.

Speaker 3 1:08:11

It's something it's a donut Eat up.

Speaker 1 1:08:20

It's another thing to be 40. This is all still just nonsense, going from David Boyd to you before to me. And it's a, it's supposed to be great.

Speaker 4 1:08:27

Thank you, yeah, yeah, yeah, there's nothing.

Speaker 3 1:08:30

Just rhymes, sort of yeah.

Speaker 1 1:08:33

Yeah, they were just sort of saying this while they were playing and when they were recording it was.

Speaker 3 1:08:39

Shout out to my friends Robbie and Allison who have about David Bowie.

Speaker 4 1:08:44

Is it on the bay?

Speaker 3 1:08:46

Yeah, they had to sell it after they had kids. But you know, it's out there, south River, west River, what? David Bowie, david Bowie's out there. Okay, look out for it, I will. I know, I know ships are supposed to be female, right?

Speaker 2 1:08:58

But If anybody is David.

Speaker 3 1:09:02

Abou Exactly.

Speaker 4 1:09:03

I don't think you're going to put gender as such on David Bowie. Yeah, exactly, it's pretty fluid.

Speaker 1 1:09:09

David Bowie's androgynous by Right.

Speaker 4 1:09:11

That was Zochi.

Speaker 3 1:09:14

It's a very good point.

Speaker 4 1:09:16

I know that my kid played on the team for the general manager of the Bowie Bay Sox and I showed him a picture of me behind stage at Madison Square Garden, the front row, with a giant Bowie Bay Sox jersey on bright orange, like sitting there he goes way to represent. I'm like, eh, it kind of has nothing to do with your baseball team, but we go to your Bay Sox. We love the Bay Sox very much, you know. But it's about this song.

Speaker 3 1:09:39

Yeah, it's a chromatic weirdness.

Speaker 1 1:09:43

Well, see so, but do people show up at shows with UB40 shirts on?

Speaker 4 1:09:48

No, not at all. Yeah, that's yeah. Everybody thinks UB40 is pretty lame, isn't it? I mean, is that a universal yeah. Are they?

Speaker 3 1:09:57

Is it the band UB40?

Speaker 1 1:09:59

Yeah, I like Red Red Wine. That was like. That's the song that we.

Speaker 4 1:10:02

Remember their other song.

Speaker 1 1:10:04

Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 1:10:06

It was actually a cover.

Speaker 1 1:10:07

Yeah, it was Exactly.

Speaker 4 1:10:08

It was a. I can't help falling in love with you. Elvis Tune.

Speaker 1 1:10:14

Oh yeah, that other song. Yeah, that was heavily played.

Speaker 3 1:10:18

Red Red Wine's a cover.

Speaker 4 1:10:19

No, no, no, the other, the other big hit.

Speaker 1 1:10:21

Yeah it is. I can't help falling. Yeah it's.

Speaker 2 1:10:26

Elvis yeah.

Speaker 4 1:10:30

Yeah, they probably stole it from somebody else too.

Speaker 3 1:10:33

Everything's been stolen except for fish. Fish is completely unique and original.

Speaker 4 1:10:38

And they stole it from.

Speaker 3 1:10:38

Frank's no, you're right, there we go. That's funny yeah.

Speaker 4 1:10:42

Little Richard. He's the only real. True, it's true. Or maybe Little Richard, he invented rock and roll. I just had this conversation today, actually.

Speaker 3 1:10:52

And Big Mama wasn't there, like a.

Speaker 4 1:10:54

Big Mama Thornton, yes.

Speaker 3 1:10:56

Big Mama Thornton, good stuff, yeah, she could teach Trey how to.

Speaker 4 1:11:01

Really getting those vocals going. She did Hound Dog right, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 1:11:10

Great groove.

Speaker 1 1:11:12

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:11:16

This song kind of forces you to wrestle your demons.

Speaker 1 1:11:19

This baby making music. That's what that is. I mean.

Speaker 3 1:11:24

Yeah that's part or just pleasure making music.

Speaker 1 1:11:33

He's borrowing from Stevie Ray Vaughan.

Speaker 3 1:11:42

So I wonder if they pre-perced some of these jams before throwing them down.

Speaker 4 1:11:48

Oh, so the deal with this is these are all road-tested songs. They've been playing these songs live for years, and so by the time they went into the studio, it was super efficient. I think four of them they laid down. One time they just put all guys together and they just played so that they could get the. So, yeah, they've been working on this album years before they actually got to lay it down, and so that's why they just played.

Speaker 3 1:12:12

Was that a door opening? Did you hear that?

Speaker 4 1:12:14

The sound effects on this are crazy here.

Speaker 1 1:12:17

It's more pet sounds. That plus me a lot of pets.

Speaker 3 1:12:25

We're getting into the teat of it.

Speaker 1 1:12:27

Teat.

Speaker 3 1:12:29

That's good.

Speaker 1 1:12:36

They're just like milking this whole thing.

Speaker 2 1:12:40

Oh yeah, you can milk anything you want. It's a little meat break.

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Speaker 3 1:12:51

How not to meet parents? Yeah, man. But yeah, trey does that technique where it's a triptych and added forth and the added forth is different and then back to and then it's so cool, it gets creepy. He has that. He's such a seemingly fun and innocent guy, I guess, but when you want to grit it's there.

Speaker 1 1:13:28

It's emotive. It's about the emotion and going from scared to manic to relaxed, to back to manic. Yeah, it's like you're broken down and they build you back up and then they break you down again.

Speaker 3 1:13:44

Tension, tension. Well, what's the? Everybody gets confused. The intro to David Bowie or Maze, yeah?

Speaker 4 1:13:53

Only you guys get confused, Everybody else we know what's going on.

Speaker 3 1:13:56

You know I get confused. See you in a second you can?

Speaker 4 1:13:59

I'm sitting right next to a fisherman. You can see him what he's doing. You're like it's going to be Maze.

Speaker 3 1:14:03

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:14:05

Another great one.

Speaker 3 1:14:06

Oh, I'm a Magna ball when Maze is going off and it's like right before Bernie Sanders campaign and like I'm trying. You know, at a certain point you look for your friends and you're like all right, I can't find. They're like we're by the Bernie Sanders head and like which Bernie Sanders head? There's seven of them. And then, like you, just you stand by some other Bernie fans and then you're like hey, I'm kind of like trying to buy friends. You're moaning a little bit. You're like enough, said brother, here's a drink. They're just so cool. They're just like all right, you're a little lost, you're trying to find somebody, but you're trying to be in a certain location. But why Just sit with us and they take you in as long as you like communicate and like eye vibe with like randos, sometimes at fish shows during jams, they know, because they've been in that situation too Like yeah, they can see like the misplaced emotion that shouldn't be there and I love jumping over like people and sort of going through the crowd and it's fun.

Speaker 3 1:15:23

But like if blood sugar is low, like, and you're just kind of like trying to find your friends, it can be a little bit yeah it can be a lot.

Speaker 4 1:15:33

I stop, I go solo. I've gone solo Even the back of the Grateful Dead. Years go by myself, I'll meet them there. And if I don't meet them, and I started doing this thing where we all get together now and do shows and it is quite enjoyable and I think I'm starting to branch off, go back to being.

Speaker 1 1:15:46

I like meeting new people, I like talking to people, yeah, so it's something that's really social and you can show up by yourself and it would still be like a whole journey. So there's a big level of trust amongst the show attendees.

Speaker 3 1:16:04

You mean a lot of best friends have been met at the show yeah, yeah, well, that's nice.

Speaker 4 1:16:13

Especially, there's a handful of us that all we don't know each other other than New Year's. We all sit in kind of the same section at New Year's and it's just a handful of guys that love being back there and I won't speak to them until the following New Year's, and they're always there.

Speaker 2 1:16:26

And then amazing people.

Speaker 4 1:16:29

Is that a door opening again, by the way? Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:16:33

Johnny, he's Jack Nicholson's fish fan, I believe.

Speaker 1 1:16:39

Yeah right, he likes that part of it.

Speaker 3 1:16:42

He's a show team's guy, probably Only Frank or nothing yeah.

Speaker 1 1:16:56

He's that was your thing, right? Yeah, yeah, that was I did that. That wasn't it yeah yeah, that's not the end of the song it could be Anticipatory.

Speaker 4 1:17:06

You hear these opening licks during a song, during a show, and the entire play starts to buzz Like. And they're not buzzing because this is a great lyric lick. They're buzzing because they know what's about to happen.

Speaker 2 1:17:16

Right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 1:17:18

You know what I mean, really, god it's such a great song Written about their friend that was dying right, that was having cancer I don't know Cancer therapy and he did a little tuft of hair on the top of his head. Oh, oh so but then you listen to the song and you have no idea what that's about, right? I mean, well, the sum now that you're you're a good lyric dive guy, so maybe you'll figure it out, Chris.

Speaker 3 1:17:39

Yeah, I did not know that.

Speaker 1 1:17:41

Yeah, fine, you'll cure yeah, damn, won't you help me please? Yeah, I've heard. Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 1:17:51

Huh Open and was a man with a horrible disease. Little peanuts for you.

Speaker 1 1:18:06

Yes, yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 1:18:08

Thank you for that Now. I can never get that out of my head, okay.

Speaker 1 1:18:14

What about? Uh, I wonder what happened to fluff it. Did you like die the?

Speaker 4 1:18:19

actual fluff. Yeah, I believe you did pass, yes.

Speaker 1 1:18:31

I wonder if his family are. I'm sure they must be very aware about this song being inspired by him and hopefully you know it provides them like comfort and knowing that he carries on a noble legacy here. His memory, his memory is sort of eternal through this song. Okay, the next song. What's the title of the song?

Speaker 4 1:19:05

after this one, you think it's a different piece.

Speaker 3 1:19:08

Fluff's Travels.

Speaker 4 1:19:09

Yeah, Fluff's.

Speaker 1 1:19:09

Travels, is it inspired? By the same fluff?

Speaker 3 1:19:13

For live purposes. Fluff, head is both. I guess it's all of it. Yeah, it's all of it.

Speaker 4 1:19:19

It's great at writing little pieces and all alone they'd probably be senseless stuff, and you wish a friend would just stop playing music in the corner of the room. But when you put them all together it works, you know. So that's why he used these different. So I guess they divided them up like that.

Speaker 3 1:19:32

For track listing purposes probably only Okay.

Speaker 4 1:19:38

You bet you're trying to sell this to Elector Records in 1989.

Speaker 1 1:19:44

Yeah, but they, oh, they picked it up in 1992.

Speaker 3 1:19:47

Right, but that's wild yeah it must have been a hard sell.

Speaker 4 1:19:52

I probably had it sold for three years I'm sure they went to a concert and were like that was a big arena and there's people in it, of course yeah, exactly no one signed these guys, yet.

Speaker 3 1:20:00

Right, right, yeah, no brainer.

Speaker 4 1:20:05

Yeah, they were killing it in Boston. I mean just killing it, no record label.

Speaker 3 1:20:11

I got to go to Nectar's last summer and we did like we walked around Burlington and found the house that they lived at, which is like. There's literally like next door is an electric grid area.

Speaker 2 1:20:29

Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 1:20:29

It's like a weird, not great place like in Burlington.

Speaker 1 1:20:35

I'd be curious. Now that I know all of this, I'll go to. Burlington and check all this out.

Speaker 3 1:20:40

It's a cool live.

Speaker 1 1:20:40

We're in Fluffhead's Travels, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 1:20:42

But anyway, I'm sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I mean, it's Burlington's cool city, it is awesome, very nice city.

Speaker 4 1:20:50

The gravy fries at Nectar's Santax Right.

Speaker 1 1:20:52

Well, we didn't explain. Yeah, they originated at, like, the University of Vermont, and that's where Burlington is right. Yes, or Burlington or the University of Vermont is in Burlington.

Speaker 2 1:21:02

Yes.

Speaker 3 1:21:05

Fish made a university.

Speaker 1 1:21:07

Yeah right. I'm from the Midwest. I'm very ignorant when it comes to the New England states.

Speaker 4 1:21:15

It's cold. Spent a lot of time in rooms with people inside. No point you gotta get along with people. No point in trying to fight it, or you stay by yourself. It's more mountainous too, isn't it? Rather mountainous, yeah. Especially in Burlington.

Speaker 3 1:21:31

Yeah, lake Champlain's right there.

Speaker 4 1:21:33

A little lake effect, big time lake effect.

Speaker 3 1:21:39

Yeah, Burlington's super crunchy.

Speaker 4 1:21:44

But there's an anti in the school itself. There's a lot of conservative people in the school too.

Speaker 3 1:21:49

I can see that they're yin and yang Like you really?

Speaker 4 1:21:51

yeah, there's groups that half the school. It's not a big. It's not like Boulder, Right, you know, like University of Boulder or Colorado Boulder.

Speaker 1 1:21:59

Maybe kind of like a Navy St John kind of thing.

Speaker 4 1:22:01

Yeah, if they were in one school. That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 1:22:04

Oh.

Speaker 4 1:22:05

University of Oregon's a little bit like that too, when you think it's gonna be mega crunchy, but no, there's a bunch of you know well-to-do, pretty straight-lays dudes trying to get education. Put your shoes out, yeah.

Speaker 3 1:22:15

Yeah, Whatever you do, take care of those shoes and you're not good enough to make the football teams start reading the book. Go Ducks, shout out.

Speaker 1 1:22:30

Been a croquet team?

Speaker 4 1:22:31

I don't know, but in Burlington, yeah, no, they did Probably Ultimate Frisbee's.

Speaker 3 1:22:37

Oh, the Frisbee is fierce there.

Speaker 4 1:22:40

Yeah, I played Ultimate Frisbee for about four minutes and that was like the nuts Just a lot of sprints.

Speaker 3 1:22:45

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:22:47

It's just a hippies exercise, yeah.

Speaker 3 1:22:51

So this part's kind of like you enjoy myself a little bit, the composition of it, the frequency of notes, maybe.

Speaker 4 1:23:04

But tension release. I think the big crescendo of fluff head, yes, where the whole crowd pays homage to fluff head.

Speaker 2 1:23:12

Yeah, you know.

Speaker 4 1:23:13

Really cool.

Speaker 2 1:23:15

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:23:16

Really cool moment and that's a lot of my pictures, because you know what's coming. I take the picture and I'm like here it comes, yeah, and I have a lot of it.

Speaker 3 1:23:22

Everybody just put their hands up the white lights?

Speaker 4 1:23:24

No band anywhere in my picture. No music, no heads, band, all fans.

Speaker 1 1:23:29

That's kind of cool. Is it Rebecca that does it?

Speaker 3 1:23:32

Renee.

Speaker 1 1:23:33

Renee, yeah, that's probably something that she would do, right, like wait for the fluff head part when everybody has their hands up, got you.

Speaker 4 1:23:41

So we're talking about a different Renee. By the way, renee, there's an official fish photographer. Yeah, it's Renee. Yeah, we're not talking about that Renee. Okay, you have another Renee.

Speaker 3 1:23:50

No, I think that's the Renee, that's the Renee house. Thank you very much, just check.

Speaker 4 1:23:53

Okay, good, now we're on the same page.

Speaker 1 1:23:55

Yeah, I'm not sure if you guys are going to hire her.

Speaker 3 1:24:00

She's like yeah, also even for the like the videos when they do like couch tour, live fish videos, just when they pan to the crowd, is so amazing, cause it like I don't know you could just have a regular looking guy mixed with like somebody who did look like he did tour with the dead and is like looks like a Santa Claus, christmas man. Or see a wannabe next to like some tiny, like five foot one girl. I mean like teenager. I mean it's so eclectic.

Speaker 1 1:24:35

I just think also like the reaction of the crowd, like when you look back at the crowd, probably it's unique. It's not like going into a rock show or everybody's sort of in unison, it's, it's. It is a tip. I saw Austin city limits I think, like in late.

Speaker 3 1:24:47

Not a lot of leather. Not a lot of leather out there, yeah.

Speaker 4 1:24:51

No, a lot of cargo pants.

Speaker 1 1:24:53

Yeah, there was a lot of cargo. Yeah, exactly, yeah there was a lot of cake Birkenstocks are huge.

Speaker 4 1:24:59

Yeah, and I'm not. If you really get down, though, if you're going to get down, it's new balances.

Speaker 3 1:25:03

Yes, that's true.

Speaker 4 1:25:04

If you're really going to dance, you know we're new balances, like there's a lot of athletic wear going on because people are not, especially the women too. Some dance are not clear. I've seen that stretch before the show because it's going to be that cool.

Speaker 2 1:25:16

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:25:18

Hydrate? You know right, I do. I wear a second change of clothes under my stuff because this gets so hot. I have my pajamas underneath. The first thing I do when I get to the shows I take all my clothes off and all I have is my pajamas. On Shorts, shirts, put my sneakers back on. I'll have to stash my sweatshirts and all that stuff behind me and the guys throw it under a tree stump.

Speaker 4 1:25:35

It's like 17 degrees out. They're like how did this dude wear shorts here? I think it's wearing pajamas, I don't know. Yeah, but I'm comfy.

Speaker 1 1:25:42

Have you ever run into a patient while you're there? Yeah, yeah, you have. Yeah, all the time.

Speaker 4 1:25:49

I usually start with I have my eyes closed and I hear dude, that's my dentist Shit.

Speaker 1 1:25:54

They're like hey denti.

Speaker 2 1:25:59

Oh it starts with a few jokes.

Speaker 4 1:26:03

It happens in Baltimore, like some of the local shows.

Speaker 3 1:26:08

Yeah, I saw you at Tray Band. Actually I didn't say hi.

Speaker 4 1:26:15

But Andrew did. Yes, he did. I was having a good time at that show. That was yeah, and the only space to dance was right in front of the PA. I know you couldn't see any. Yeah, I don't care, I don't see it. It all looks like my eyelids. Yeah yeah, I was back there.

Speaker 3 1:26:30

I forget how far that venue goes back.

Speaker 4 1:26:35

It's just skinny, and I do love it, though, because you can get outside and you know.

Speaker 3 1:26:40

It makes me want to boat too.

Speaker 4 1:26:42

The music. The quality of the sound is terrible. Yeah, I only draw back of that venue. Yeah, it's weird, the tent on the ocean. Yeah, I like. Yeah, I like indoors, I like it loud, I like the lights.

Speaker 3 1:27:00

What's the smallest venue you've seen fish at?

Speaker 4 1:27:03

Good question.

Speaker 3 1:27:05

The man.

Speaker 4 1:27:07

Harford Civic Center.

Speaker 3 1:27:08

Oh cool.

Speaker 4 1:27:09

Providence Civic Center, worcester Centrum. Worcester Centrum maybe, yeah, nice, I didn't go. I know some of the smaller ones I've missed, like the Met, like I missed those shows that were tiny. What's the?

Speaker 1 1:27:22

are the big shows or the?

Speaker 4 1:27:23

tiny shows better. It's funny. As I'm getting older, I'm looking forward to a stadium tour because I can go all the way in the back and have an acre of space to myself. And with the digital sound technology that's out right now, it's crystal clear.

Speaker 2 1:27:37

It's not like back when the dead were back at a stack. It was terrible.

Speaker 4 1:27:40

It is like like in Atlantic City. For three days I didn't even see the band. They were a tiny little stack of light, but the music was so great, and that was up against the beach. So so I'll take a big show nowadays. I'm old.

Speaker 3 1:27:53

Yeah.

Speaker 4 1:27:53

I need space Nice.

Speaker 3 1:27:56

Nothing like a little beach show to get those calves activated.

Speaker 1 1:27:58

I'm off Again. Shout out to the runners right, we're gonna get those calves. Oh my gosh, all right, so where are we at this? Yeah, we are in the interest of time. Yeah, I don't want to cut off like this.

Speaker 3 1:28:14

No, you can.

Speaker 1 1:28:14

Yeah, you can, okay, we're good, yeah, so, so this is Fluffhead's Travel, so we're gonna get. Yeah, so it does that kind of cool fade out this is the end of the song. So we're good, all right, so check. Last. We're at the last song right which is we're doing content yeah.

Speaker 4 1:28:38

One of my favorite, really crowd songs of all time. When it comes to the crowd, it's all us. This is all us. It's fantastic. It's a big sing along the house lights come up, arms go waving side to side cheesily in the unison. Oh, I see. And it just celebrates the ridiculousness of all of it All for a laugh.

Speaker 2 1:28:58

Yeah.

Speaker 3 1:29:01

Get to put your arm around the next, next, next door neighbor for this one and funny enough.

Speaker 4 1:29:07

This song does end shows. I mean, this is like a set closing or an encore song. And this is how they put it on the album.

Speaker 2 1:29:15

No touching.

Speaker 1 1:29:16

Yeah, I think it's good. I mean, you don't want to have the audience all angry. You know, it's like not a guns and roses show and this is like right. You leave the audience in a very real time. Everybody's in the parking lot.

Speaker 3 1:29:32

No, after you.

Speaker 1 1:29:35

No, after you no.

Speaker 4 1:29:36

I insist. It's a Grateful Dead show. You're walking out to Broke Down Palace or you know Black Muddy River and it's like it's great songs, best songs, but like nothing wrong with leaving with a big smile on your face because it's all just ridiculous.

Speaker 3 1:29:53

Yeah, it is Get on the metro after this and you just like take it all in.

Speaker 1 1:30:03

Yeah, Good idea. You know I'd be too vulnerable when you get on. You're so gay. But you're gay yeah.

Speaker 3 1:30:12

People have to put their guard up against you, actually, because no touching, okay, yeah, I mean, shout out to the rubber tree owners. Hopefully they're, you know, making your own tires and your basement.

Speaker 1 1:30:46

It's nice little harmony there. I don't know who that is. It's Trey Trey.

Speaker 3 1:30:56

What does this sound like? Doing like a bear sound what other bands does?

Speaker 1 1:31:04

this sound like? Oh, this Barry Manilow. Yeah, this is Yacht.

Speaker 3 1:31:06

Rocky. Yeah, it is Yacht Rocky. That's a good point.

Speaker 1 1:31:11

Yes, or like something like in the 50s.

Speaker 2 1:31:17

It is 50s X 50s X Like.

Speaker 3 1:31:20

The tires are the things on your car that they have in the road yeah.

Speaker 1 1:31:28

Hey guys in the 50s, they would like come on from work After like three martinis at launch or whatever.

Speaker 3 1:31:35

Mad men's style Like loud singers.

Speaker 4 1:31:37

Exactly.

Speaker 1 1:31:37

Yeah, what I mean to say.

Speaker 4 1:31:40

The wife would put this on or whatever. They repeat it over and over again and then fuck this what you are when you go back to your car and it's been towed and I've been there, yeah, I thought my car has been stolen right in front of that. No parking side, but Hilarious, yeah, I mean this guy.

Speaker 3 1:31:57

It kind of was stolen, yeah, but by society, right, because they deemed you to be in.

Speaker 4 1:32:02

Oh, it was wrong, a logical spot and I'm sure you know Gordo was found himself in that position where he did go back to his car and it's been towed.

Speaker 3 1:32:12

Yeah, what's the hotline number? People should call the hotline.

Speaker 1 1:32:19

You know Mike Gordon is rocking the base on this one.

Speaker 3 1:32:22

That looks His base is made of space material, but aren't we all Okay?

Speaker 1 1:32:32

Did you just make that up? That's pretty good. No, it's like.

Speaker 3 1:32:36

You got like meteors, like ground up in his base or something like that, oh really, okay, yeah, that guy has a nut job.

Speaker 1 1:32:45

He seems like the most normal, like on the surface. It's like because the other guys are like sort of like a little bit more unkempt or whatever. And yeah you know, they just, they're just a little bit more.

Speaker 3 1:32:55

He paints his nails and he wears scarves, but he's normal. Okay, it's normal enough.

Speaker 4 1:33:01

Yeah, I've been in at like festivals and stuff where Mike is just hanging on the VIP tent just chilling out.

Speaker 2 1:33:09

Like I am self any of it Like he wants to be in.

Speaker 4 1:33:11

He doesn't mind when people talk to him and like he's totally approachable, it's. It's a neat where, like you, I don't think I'm not going to say anything against the other guys, but a lot of famous musicians aren't going to be in that position and he'll wander. Oh, I ran into him in merry weather. Oh really, I mean guy, I mean no one gets some hard time, but like he is, I think he just likes being there.

Speaker 3 1:33:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1 1:33:32

Being weird. Well, he's also like is he a Buddhist himself too? He's sort of like he's pretty agnostic. He's agnostic, okay, I don't know. Well, it's just sort of like that whole exercise of just like being in the moment, like when people are in that state of mind.

Speaker 1 1:33:49

He is like that, like people don't feel threatened, like people sense that about other people and just where he, how he's so centered, probably makes him approachable and he feels comfortable and reciprocating, despite his recognizability and his fame. Yeah, when you're famous, you are at a disadvantage when you're in crowds, yeah, because they know who you are.

Speaker 3 1:34:16

You don't know them and maybe and he retired those Tweety Bird shirts for like pseudo fashion. So that was a good idea. It's good fashion.

Speaker 1 1:34:25

It's good, I gotta look that up. He's in suits or something.

Speaker 3 1:34:28

He used to wear like Tweety Bird, like shirts and like. Well, that was in the 90s.

Speaker 4 1:34:35

Now he's a stylist. Okay, fantastic look. Gelled hair.

Speaker 3 1:34:41

He looks crisp. He usually looks sequenty and lit up in some way, and Nike Air Max's always wearing a different variety of Nike Air Max's.

Speaker 1 1:34:53

We're putting that on. Instagram.

Speaker 4 1:34:55

Yes, do you have the chorus of kids?

Speaker 3 1:34:59

The chorus of kids. I did not notice that until now.

Speaker 4 1:35:05

So there wasn't a lot of kids. But what they did is they recorded it and overdubbed it and kind of spaced it out a little bit. It looked sound like a whole bunch of kids, but Trey was directing the kids to sing the song. There's a video of it somewhere on YouTube that I'll help you. That'll explain that to you, isn't it? Yeah, oh my gosh, it was fun man.

Speaker 1 1:35:23

Yeah, you guys are great.

Speaker 4 1:35:25

Likewise man.

Speaker 1 1:35:26

Thanks for coming out, the last thing we're going to do. The non hits the top three. Okay, All right. Tim, do you want to start off? I will start off.

Speaker 3 1:35:38

Dave swayed me, it wasn't on here but I'm going Esther three because just the weird doll story, the ups and downs of some sort of, like you know, weird doll going Esther three.

Speaker 4 1:35:55

So this is your ranking. What now the?

Speaker 1 1:35:57

end of every episode, we rank our top three non hits. None of them are hits, so, faves, go with your third favorite song on the album.

Speaker 4 1:36:09

Oh yeah, Dinner and a movie.

Speaker 1 1:36:11

Okay, nice.

Speaker 4 1:36:12

Yeah, dinner and movie, that would be fantastic. Great guitar work, all right.

Speaker 1 1:36:18

I'm going, david Bowie.

Speaker 3 1:36:20

Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 1:36:21

Because I yeah, I just yeah. It's playful. It's a lot of, a lot of good music there. What about you too?

Speaker 3 1:36:35

I mean, there's so much here Goal yeah, paratus ticket stubs, what's up?

Speaker 1 1:36:46

Okay.

Speaker 3 1:36:47

Where are they at? In the drawer somewhere? Put them on your wall. What are you doing?

Speaker 4 1:36:52

All right, I'm just going to put them on the wall. I just made them all out and I took a picture of each one of them and then I put them in an album. So I have them. I wish I could show off to people.

Speaker 3 1:37:00

Yeah, and it's worth noting if you go to a show, you get the show downloadable for free. For fish, right, it is true. You just scan the technology, the stub, and then you go in livefishcom and you have it.

Speaker 1 1:37:11

Nice yeah, soundboard quality.

Speaker 3 1:37:14

Yeah, Anyway Colgy too.

Speaker 4 1:37:16

Yeah, I'm contact too Nice, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:37:20

For sure.

Speaker 2 1:37:22

Nice.

Speaker 1 1:37:23

I hope you enjoy myself. Oh, okay, it's a great instrument. I think I like the instrumentals on this. You know, those are the things that I. Of course, you know, if I was as familiar as you guys are with this album, it might be different. It seems like it changes over time.

Speaker 3 1:37:40

Oh, there's no question, it changes over time. This will be different tomorrow. I'll be like I should have said this, but.

Speaker 1 1:37:46

Mine will probably be different in the future too, but it's a great song.

Speaker 3 1:37:51

Yeah, what am I? I'm at one. Okay, you know, I've been thinking personally I need to get a trampoline from myself to un-lodge all the what do you call them? You know, the skin fat with all your stuff in it. If you tramp, it dissipates in your you have to burn it off. Yeah, it's not for you, basically in a crunchy way. So I'm going with the tram in the honor of trampolining. You enjoy myself. It's got to be number one. Honorable mention David Bowie. But yeah, I'm the one.

Speaker 4 1:38:34

I'm an Esther. I got to go ahead and take, take a new three and put it in one, but it's Esther. Okay, I have an Esther. Enlightenment, by all means. Oh, I once was. A urinal song is now going to be a anticipatory song.

Speaker 1 1:38:51

There are a lot of good songs on this album and, yeah, the more I listen to it, I mean I can what you were just saying. I was thinking back on the song where it's he's playing the guitar and there's the piano in the background. How beautiful that is and it's kind of like you're floating in the sky kind of a thing, and it is a great song and I wish it was part of my top three. But by a mile the divided sky is my favorite and perhaps uh, yeah, it wasn't even close. I like that one, I love, I love that song and uh, it's, I'm becoming a fan because of it. So the thing with me is I haven't listened to much of the other albums. I've heard a number of songs on different albums, but I'm going to listen to them in order. I'm going to learn them in the order that they were made and then I'll go to that show. I'll go to one of those shows.

Speaker 1 1:39:46

You don't have to do that before a show, but no, I mean, if you want to, I just think I would. Yeah, but it would probably be just so that I have some context.

Speaker 3 1:39:55

But that's me, that's how I well, that's why it fish is great, because there's the album version and then there's the live version. It's it's something new, it's different.

Speaker 1 1:40:02

So what do you think I should do then? Should I contain myself and like intentionally not listen to songs before I go, so that I can see the show and then listen back. The repertoire is so big. Yeah, I'm not going to do it.

Speaker 4 1:40:16

I won't be able to enjoy it but you should come on the 30th, get a floor seat. That's nice, there's about 15 of us together.

Speaker 1 1:40:22

Okay.

Speaker 4 1:40:23

You guys would make 17. We can hold down a spot. It'll be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 1:40:27

All right.

Speaker 4 1:40:27

Awesome. And then my friends will rip you apart for all the mistakes you've made.

Speaker 1 1:40:33

Of course, as they should. I mean, if you're a fish fan you need a high standard here.

Speaker 3 1:40:38

Just rip me to shreds, please.

Speaker 1 1:40:41

All right, we're putting a bow on it, dave. Thanks for joining us. Thank you. Pleasure having you here, absolutely.

Speaker 3 1:40:49

Thanks for listening everybody.

Speaker 1 1:40:50

All right, take care Bye.